Thread: Kid BJJ and Injuring to Degree
4/12/2010 7:39pm, #11
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- Apr 2010
- Upstate NY
I can't speak directly as a parent (though I did do some co-parenting for nearly 3 years), but I think that the Johhny handled the situation well. It sounds as if he remained in control for the most part but I'm not sure if the punch was called for, it sounds a bit excessive since he was clearly in control of the other child.
My father was a school administrator for most of my childhood, and I'm sure he might have a different perspective on it. I'll ask him later and then maybe post on his feelings on the topic.
Along with that if the girls who I was helping to co-parent handled themselves in the same way at that age, I'd have told them good for them.
4/12/2010 7:44pm, #12
Still seems reasonable to me.
4/12/2010 7:48pm, #13
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- Feb 2010
- Inland Empire, California
As an instructor I'd say the kid wasnt over the line and showed decent restraint, probably also helped the other child learn a valuable lesson. BUT there is generally a zero tolerance policy about fighting in schools these days. So despite the situation most of the time this will result in a suspension. In some cases these days it even goes to expulsion and court. I'd advise the lad to in the future stick to the take down and leave out the punch for his sake.
4/12/2010 7:51pm, #14
4/13/2010 7:36am, #15
4/13/2010 7:57am, #16
OK, I am NOT speaking about right/wrong, only what school policy is going to be here...
School Teachers are NOT going to attempt to deal with "He started it," or "He hit me first." Remember in the modern world of "Conflict Resolution" BOTH the bully and the bullied are EQUALLY at fault. They actually spend time discussing what it is about the bullied that sets the bully off!!!!!!
If two students are "fighting" then BOTH students are going to get suspended. Period. The insane part of this is that one of the kids doesn't care, the other is going to suffer grade loss because someone punched them in the face and they fought back.
However, EVERY school allows you to "hold on" so as not to get punched or hit. As such, closing the gap, clinching, and getting a solid control position are all valid and should be high on the list of training for our youth.
I wouldn't armlock, but if there was a subtle choke to apply (arm triangle,) as I was quietly speaking to the bully in his ear something like "Do this again and I will choke you out until you piss your pants in front of all the girls," can have some advantage.
The other key however is to avoid at all costs PUBLICLY humiliating the bully. Pinning him till the teachers pull you off lets him say "If the teacher hadn't pulled me off of you, I'd have kicked your ass." Whatever, who cares, but you MUST let him keep his tough guy rep.
Because if you take it, he WILL do whatever it takes to get it back, and that includes coming back to school with a gun.
I do not envy kids growing up today; but those are my thoughts based on running a school and youth programs for over 20 years."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
4/13/2010 8:59am, #17
4/13/2010 9:35am, #18
Sucks that legislation and school policy won't allow a kid to hit back even when he is the victim of assault.
My son is taking Muay Thai and works with me on the heavy bag and mitts at home. I can't effectively work grappling with him on my own (or at least I don't know how to, given the size differential...) It is this story that makes me want to put him in a kids grappling class. I don't personally think Johnny over-reacted, but I think he would be perceived as having done so.
I also think that the rules favor the loser in such an encounter rather than considering who was actually at fault.