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  1. original_witty is offline

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    Do people actually use puter kepala throws or are they just for demos?

    I actually wonder and have deep thoughts about this.
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    What the **** is a puta Keppler throw? Who uses them? Got any videos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindz View Post
    What the **** is a puta Keppler throw? Who uses them? Got any videos?
    Well it's commonly taught in filipino and indonesian systems. while puter kepala is a vague term which means something like a circle throw where u pass the head underneath a limb (so can be catching a round kick to the waist and passing the head of the opponent underneath his leg) it usually is the one you see here at 3:38, the throw they show after they say "filipino panantukan" YouTube- Ron Balicki Demo
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    I did some silat before I started jiujitsu. After a while in jiujitsu it crossed my mind, can I use this? I really wanted it to work, because it can be made to look pretty cool.

    My experience was it had to be modified to work on a non-compliant opponent. They don't just spin for you when they're not cooperating. Worse still when you're on your knees and they have a broader base. The modifications are pretty severe and it starts to resemble my favorite neck crank sweep, or crucifix neck crank. But the actual neck cranks work better. So at that point, well, there's not much point at all.

    It's a neat move, but I doubt the vast majority are going to be able to use it on noncompliant partners.
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    Yeah, I learned that same goofy ass move back when I did CMA.
    I've done similar things which involve turning the guy over into a crucifix, but the version you see in the demo there is just more flashy silat nonsense.
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    Ron Baliki is one of the Inosanto guys. Iv'e seen a couple of his videos, and alot seems really impractical under pressure. super "this will happen when I do this..." Puter Kapala as I learned it, meant "turning the skull". Modern Arnis also calls it a "rotary throw". The spin actually works when you drag backwards while pushing.

    The Dumog/Pangamut we work with in our group actually does a similar style of puter as in the video, by dropping your elbow on the neck/head as a lever while lifting the arm. With a non-compliant opponent, I've accidentally done some shoulder - pectoral area injury. If the spin doesn't happen, the head hits the ground with your elbow and weight on top.

    I've seen a good demo of Joseph Simonet demonstrating the difference between "seminar" and "classical" Puter. The major difference is that classical Silat doesn't use it as a throw, they just just yank the chin and back of the head (like a steering wheel or basketball) back and forth in a circular motion a few times. Not a throw at all. Now if he could only demonstrate it on someone other than his 110 lb girlfriend...

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    As far as my experience with it goes, its a flashy low-percentage move that only my teacher can pull off on a non-resisting opponent.

    Not something I would use.
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    There's very a similar "throw" I know from Karate, but instead of ending with that weird turn-out motion, you wheel him over headfirst using his head & arm for leverage. It's a beautiful head-over-heels throw in demos with a partner who has good ukemi, but in sparring (because people take a step forward to regain their balance and not go head over heels) it becomes an ugly motion where you drag their face towards/into the floor instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by original_witty View Post
    Well it's commonly taught in filipino and indonesian systems. while puter kepala is a vague term which means something like a circle throw where u pass the head underneath a limb (so can be catching a round kick to the waist and passing the head of the opponent underneath his leg) it usually is the one you see here at 3:38, the throw they show after they say "filipino panantukan" YouTube- Ron Balicki Demo

    What martial art is that a seminar of? FMA in general?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosJesena View Post
    What martial art is that a seminar of? FMA in general?
    I think it's a blend of the Inosanto curriculum. Kali, then Panantukan, Maphilindo Silat, etc.. Balicki has produced DVDs on all of those. From what I've seen, aside from Rick Faye, the Maphilindo guys usually neglect that "without a knife, there is no Silat", and try to make Silat seem like this undisputed empty hand system. While I love the art, it changes drastically with a Kerambit in your hand.

    I REALLY am not a fan of the Reverse Split Puter Kapala (under the arm around the back of the head) he does at 3:59, though the leg sweep may help it actually work.

    I'd like to see how much if this he used competing in the ring.
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