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  1. Neo Sigma is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The whizzer-type grip from inside-outside is one I've been trying to get a clear picture of in my head for a while now, it's good to see that it's a plausible position instead of some crackpot nonsense that'd get me hurt in a fight.

    Noob problem i'm having - theres a 76kg Maori fellow, completely shredded and strong as an ox who has a neck i can't bend. Whenever i get the plumb i can't do anything with it even if i get perfect leverage with the step and use all my strength. What do you do with these guys? Just ignore going for the plumb and work head/arm control to score with knees/throws?
    You've obviously got a ton more experience than I do, but if everything is technically sound and it's still not working, I'd go for something else. No sense in banging your head against a wall. What's your weight as compared to his?

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    Oh and i dropped a heavier fighter with the counter to the uppercut he shows (went to the body instead of the head). Overall a great purchase.
    How doable are those counters? I've been training for just less than a year and it looks like you'd need reflexes like lightning to make them work.
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    Posted On:
    4/29/2010 7:45pm


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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    My weight is the same, but he is a lot stronger... Alex will know what i mean when i say he's cut, genetically some Maoris can eat MacDonalds all day and walk around 5% bodyfat, I'm jealous. It's quite frustrating being able to get the plumb with ease and having less control over him than he has with one outside grip.

    Counters are more about timing, reading your opponent and muscle memory than reflexes. I've always had **** reflexes and yet i see myself as a counter fighter. I can tell you a drill i use to improve my countering if you wish, I've been using the same one to teach my southpaw gf and she can already hit the liver kick counter off the jab in sparring.

    I'm southpaw so its all a little different, but I've been using his knee counter to the uppercut for both the lead uppercut and lead hook. Block the hook, control the arm while reaching forward and controlling the head, simultaneously protecting you from the straight right, pull them down into a curved left knee to the liver or head.

    In terms of difficulty i'd say this is probably an easier counter to hit if you have the height/reach advantage, no-one shorter than me has ever posed much of a step up knee threat. His orthodox v orthodox knee counter to the hook is pretty cool though, i plan to steal it for when i fight other southpaws.
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    I can tell you a drill i use to improve my countering if you wish, I've been using the same one to teach my southpaw gf and she can already hit the liver kick counter off the jab in sparring.
    Please do. My most reliable liver kick right now is checking with something like what Malaipet shows and firing straight back with the lead leg. I only really can make it work because I fenced for ten years previous to this, so my foot speed is on crack, but there's always someone faster.
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    Posted On:
    4/29/2010 8:36pm


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    1) Pick 1-3 counters for opposing techniques you wish to become ingrained, i,e for the straight right > a) right leg kick while moving left to avoid followup shot, b) parry straight right, return own straight right, c) parry straight right, control arm while simultaneously step up right knee.

    2) Have a partner throw 30 straight rights at you, respond with 10 of each of the counters, then have your partner throw 30 bodykicks, jabs, pushkicks.. you get the idea.

    3) After a week or two have your partner throw one random technique after another, respond with one of the counters, start slow and build up speed.

    4) Once able to do any single shot adequately have your partner throw combinations, counter or block each technique.
    "Boxing is the art of hitting an opponent from the furthest distance away, exposing the least amount of your body while getting into position to punch with maximum leverage and not getting hit."
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    I've actually been incorporating a few of the counters in this video in training one of my fighters. He's developed into a strong clinch fighter so these have been great for working on various ways for him to work into the clinch.
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    Posted On:
    4/30/2010 11:34am


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    After reviewing the DVD again, its funny seeing how many of the techniques he uses are so similar, yet different, from the variations I know. There are only a couple of variations he uses throughout the video that I use almost identically. There are a lot of them where I use parts of one technique he demonstrates mixed with something he does from another technique.....

    PS.... So White Shark, why did you move my post to Trollshido? What did I do wrong?
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    Posted On:
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    I clicked the wrong button. Your post was fine. Thats why I reposted the content as a quote block. I didn't have permission to move stuff out of Trollshido so I couldn't bring it back the other day after I moved it. Sorry.

    Let me add some content:
    I used a single neck tie with bicep control to throw someone into the cage wall the other day. Some of these MT throws are even more fun when you can bounce someone off the cage. The cage also keeps them from stepping out far enough to defend. :)
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