Somehow, I think they had Paul Varelans in mind when they banned the downward elbow. The move was probably associated with a strike to the spine.
I was actually wondering about Camoe's headplant myself. I've seen several fights now where when someone is standing with the other guy on their back, they do a front-flip/somersault. I don't see any reason why they'd do that, except to intentionally spike the other guy's head into the mat.
Usually the guy on the back avoids getting hurt by tucking his head, but Pellegrino actually waited until Camoe was starting to slide over the top so he had nowhere to go.
I had wondered about tossing someone out of the ring. It seems like the sub-defense slams come really damn close to spiking the head. You tuck your chin, but there's still a decent chance your landing on your neck.
This sounds like crap, is biting allowed to escape a submission?
Originally Posted by Kung-Fu Joe
Did we watch the same fight? Looked deliberate as hell to me.
Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
I think you could argue that Camoes positioned himself, rather than Pellegrino putting him there.
Originally Posted by Hesperus
I guess that makes a difference.
Last weekend I did an hour long podcast just on rules clarification where me and The Fight Nerd talk this stuff to death. Would it be unseemly for me to just link it directly in this thread?
This is what my understanding was as well.
Originally Posted by pokeroo
WHAT!? That is just... **** tarded. What the hell!?
Originally Posted by MMAMickey
I think I heard of fight nerd before. Yeah, post it here or send me your podcast.
Originally Posted by Lampa
I think it sounds worse than it was.. The ref did stop the fight less than a minute later due to the extreme ass kicking the guy was getting, he just wouldn't aknowledge the towel.. actually no ur absolutely right it is kinda fucktarded
Originally Posted by Squerlli
"The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". - Cus D'Amato
Th foul depends on the situation.
For example, if I double leg my opponent, pick him up and then slam him on his head/neck withou his back hitting first, I've commited a foul. He had no choice in how I dumped him, so I am responsible.
If some dummy tries to hold onto an armbar he threw uo and I go to slam, he has the choice to let go and not be slammed or to try and pendulum and break my arm before he hits the ground, which may end up in his head spiking. Because in this situation, and in the Camoes situation, the person getting planted has the option of releasng the submission attempt, there is no foul when they get spiked.
Essentially, the ref is not going to penalize your opponent for you being stubborn.
By the way, I'm back around! I've been training too much to post in a while, but I'll be more active in the future.
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