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  1. Pandinha is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/16/2004 6:48pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Since I hold Docther in very high esteem, I would have to agree to whatever he says.

    Though whatever I am held is of no consequence, bow down.

    I'm Rick James, Bitch!
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
  2. FingerorMoon? is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/16/2004 6:52pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Another comparsion I think of more and more is this:

    The karate man preparing himself in his proper stance, and breaking the board in front of him with a punch.

    Its all too static, it doesn't replicate fluid sparring at all.
    The Wastrel - So attractive he HAS to be a woman.
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  3. blankslate is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/16/2004 6:52pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Dochter is nuts. No more worshipping him.
  4. FingerorMoon? is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/16/2004 6:55pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    eh, maybe this is cheating a bit, but I should mention that I consider things like solo grappling drills, bodyweight exercises.

    Its WAY easier to create and modify bodyweight exercises to be sports specific.
    Last edited by FingerorMoon?; 2/16/2004 6:57pm at .
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  5. Dochter is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/16/2004 7:06pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Originally posted by FingerorMoon?
    Its WAY easier to create and modify bodyweight exercises to be sports specific.
    Agreed. However you get "more bang for your buck" with weights versus bodyweight excercises. I'm lazy and so look for efficency.

    Basically the only way to get stronger at 'x' is to do 'x'. Otherwise you are working to develop 'y' on the assumption that it transfers at some rate ('r') to 'x'.

    Basically the goal is to go with the excercise with a greater 'r' (approaching 1). While some weightlifting excercises have a lower 'r' the greater strength gains you get from them frequently overcomes the deficit to provide a greater net increase in strength(x).

    And that is the most complicated way I can discuss this.
  6. FingerorMoon? is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/16/2004 7:34pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    And that is the most complicated way I can discuss this.
    I was just thinking the same thing :)

    you get "more bang for your buck" with weights versus bodyweight excercises. I'm lazy and so look for efficency.
    Don't agree. You get far better limit strength obviously.
    And if you are training for size, then there is of course no comparison.

    Bodyweight exercising can allow you to better train balance/alignment, flexibility, endurance.
    To me that equates to better bang for your buck.

    Plus, we can get into plyometric and explosive training, which again I believe is far easier, cheaper, safer, and faster to do with bodyweight exercises.
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  7. Akurra is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/17/2004 9:07am


     Style: Aikido, Boxing, MT

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The reason I am interested in starting bw exercises is mostly because of the balance and 'body sense' aspect. I guess knowing how your muscles move and work in cooperation with each other is helpful in martial arts. However I think explosive power is helpful as well, which I suppose can be gotten easily by weights. Then of course there are Bodyweight plyometrics which builds explosive strength as well.

    As for as limit strength goes, I think you can get pretty far with b/w exercises. I'm not a total creampuff (5'10 175 lbs about 8% bf) and can max my bench at around 215 or 220 (not a lot I know) but I can not do a single planche (in proper form) . Reading some articles on these exercises, I realized that gymnasts do only b/w exercises and have very respectible lifts. I don't know, I'm in a pickle ;) Can't decide which is better for me.
  8. FingerorMoon? is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/18/2004 7:37pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    If you've got time do both.

    If you don't have time, pick from the best of both.

    You don't have to do soley one or the other.
    The Wastrel - So attractive he HAS to be a woman.
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