Thread: Nabard The Persian art of combat
4/15/2010 11:44am, #101
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I find it funny that every post I've read is so emotional that you need to get a hold of yourself. Nabard is the Persian art of combat. Accept it. T.O.A.S is an acronym for transcendental organized applied strategy for survival. NABARD is a martial arts originated from Master Safakhoo through discovery of experience. To say it came from cma or from Toa is misleading. It seem most ma art caught it the media bliss that ma is Chinese? If you are an American, Persian, or Korean and you demonstrate a kick, punch, and or grappling move how does it differentiate to the Chinese? Nothing there is no difference. This is the answer for all those belive that it is a chinese art. We as human being posses two arms, body, two legs, and head. What a ma from china does will look the same in Canada, Brazil, Mexico etc. The ethnicity of the master and is discovery is left to its own. Master Safakhoo developed his style with his own concept of self defense. To say one is better that the other is lacking in the individual who questions? The ma is only as good as it arts. To say that competion will proof the value of the art is a farce. Competion is not a fight, it is an event. It has rules, the ma must abide to win. To defend yourself has no rules it it an experience. Most ma has forgotten that there is no rules to combat, only competition. You either experience your ma or prepare for the event. Nabard present itself it this way. I've sparred in class in my younger years with just a groin protecting, all out. Now there head,hands, and groin protection. Still there are those who spar all out, some reminisce of the past---old guy, of what things could have been. Nabard stands alone without an organization or group of bodies to look at for its history. I know for a fact if one joins Nabard and applies themselves it is a big challenge in there lives. Its not easy.
4/15/2010 11:53am, #102
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4/15/2010 12:09pm, #103
YouTube- NABARD- The Persian Art of Combat
YouTube- Fighting Fans of Nabard- The Persian Art of Combat
I'm not going to argue about any of the crying ostad did but, those are recognizable Chinese forms with slight variations.
The double broadsword looks like a Spear vs Broadsword form I learned with the spear replaced with a single broadsword.
I'd say that form contained about 90% of what I learned move for move.
YouTube- Nabard woman log training / the original
Wing Chun. Sloppy dummy form maybe from a video but, that is Wing Chun.
When you practice no contact in class you are using rules. When you put together a demo you are using rules.
No, what most crappy larper schools forget is that your dojo, kwoon, or gym is not the street.
No school, I repeat, no school trains with no rules.
So, the real farce in this thread is your use of competition rules vs. Street No rules.
I have videos up and you train in a gym.
The gym is not the street.
Your training partners are not out to hurt you, rob, rape, or take your property. They are not the street.
Please, come up with a better argument instead of showing your own hypocrisy.
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4/15/2010 12:12pm, #104
This was the origional website that Nabard used. So you are saying that claiming that it came from CMA is misleading. But calling it Toas Kungfu is implying that it came from CMA. Correct? Are you saying that you are intentionally misleading people?
4/15/2010 12:16pm, #105
4/15/2010 12:29pm, #106
What makes you think that all the other Martial Arts of the world are wrong and Safakhoo is right? And how can you tell if it is effective without competitions or trying it out at other places. Or are you going to give the party line and say that we know our art works because all kinds of people have been in street fights and Nabard is the reason they survived?
4/15/2010 1:00pm, #107
"If you are an American, Persian, or Korean and you demonstrate a kick, punch, and or grappling move how does it differentiate to the Chinese? Nothing there is no difference. This is the answer for all those belive that it is a chinese art. We as human being posses two arms, body, two legs, and head. What a ma from china does will look the same in Canada, Brazil, Mexico etc. "
Wrong! There is a monumental difference between punches and kicks of varying styles and countries. I'm sure everyone else here is already aware of this but i'll spell it out. Compare a muay thai roundhouse which uses a sort of wide swinging leg motion to a tightly chambered TKD or TSD snapping roundhouse. A boxing jab and cross to a wing chun chain punch. Compare greco roman wrestlig to BJJ.
Yes, we only have so many limbs. But depending on the style these same limbs can be used and applied very differently. It is not all the same.
4/15/2010 1:54pm, #108
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You can possibly get a better idea of what the empty handed forms look like by Googling "kung fu toa". Out of curiousity, I viewed the forms from To-a schools, and found the normal variation in execution you'd expect from any two random people. I believe what used to be the last form at TOAS originates w/ Safakhoo, as the other schools didn't have it. Otherwise, the names are the same for the earlier forms. Wikipedia also has an article on kungfu toa, which is mostly a rewrite of the Mirzaii article.
All kicking in TOAS were/are chambered kicks, which once mastered are pretty effective. However, if you don't maintain the needed skills, can lead to knee injury. Safakhoo has/had amazing kicking skills. I've not personally seen anyone w/ the speed, power, and accuracy he had/has. One thing I always found odd about TOAS, was the fact that the empty hand forms had so many short range hand techniques, but his preference for sparring was long range kicking. In fact I never saw him demonstrate hand technique, although students that studied w/ him before I joined, claimed he was amazingly skilled overall.
Weapons forms..I don't know. The early forms include nunchakus, sai, Chinese Gim and broadswoard. While Chinese styles normally don't teach nunchakus or sai, they do have similar weapons. The techniques in those two forms are pretty generic, and are pretty much the same as in more "conventional" styles. The straight sword and broadsword forms are done w/ the Chinese weapons, but the techniques are not Chinese. I don't know where they come from. IMO all of the weapons videos I've seen on the Nabard site are ad hoc choreographed. They're not really forms that are part of TOAS, but they may have been created for Nabard.
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4/15/2010 2:03pm, #109
Since my attention was brought back to this thread, I second IIF's statement that most techniques look like taken from different kung fu styles; in fact, I wonder if the designer hasn't taken any inspiration by some kung fu movie as well. (Which would explain the sillier/over-the-top parts of the training.)
So, the basic statements are the following (apart from the usual beef abour effectivity, which we can really skip at this point):
Nabard is the Persian art of combat. Accept it.
- Because this would be a contradiction to the statement made a few lines down:
NABARD is a martial arts originated from Master Safakhoo through discovery of experience.
The Foundation of Iranian Studies, for example:
Should the OP/whoever insist on the claim made above, I will drop them an email, to see what they have to say.
If anyone, then an institute specialising on folklore should know.
4/15/2010 2:37pm, #110
FTR, Werner Lind's "Lexikon der Kampfkünste", arguably the best pre-Wikipedia publication on martial arts history, doesn't list Nabard as a traditional Persian martial art.