"Machida does not fight in a karate way so in reality traditional martial arts don't come into it, he throws shapes in a karate stance etc but his real fighting is basic boxing and muay thai in the middle of his pretending to be a karate fighter, the man is extensivley trained in BJJ, Boxing, Thai and even Wrestling-the stance that he uses when just dancing is taken from karate and just a way of pretending his da made him..."
Would other karateka agree?
Definitely not. For ground fighting of course, but for stand-up its not only the stance.
Originally Posted by Odacon
His kicks,punches and sweeps are just like in shotokan.When he is in shotokan stance i mean.
He IS using boxing and MT techniques too thats for sure. But I cannot see anything wrong with adapting some moves into shotokan to be honest.
Seems like this comes from a guy who only watched machida in some Machida highlight videos or something and dont have any shotokan knowledge at all.
Originally Posted by Gabetuno
Well, not just that. Until other people do fight that way, we canít really tell how well other people would do with it. Hell, if I wanted to do a very literal take on the above, his brother isnít a good argument simply because they share 50% of their genes and so could both be genetic monstersÖ More seriously, probably both of them were brought up training their karate similarly from a very young age, and if so, then thereís no counterexample in that family to show that it can be done to that degree without the proverbial lifetime of training.
Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
Mind you, I donít think itís extremely improbable that it can be generalised, but unless it has/until it does (and someone with the same genetic and training background doesnít count), I think itís fair to reserve judgement (and uncontroversial to regard it as anomalous).
That said, I hope somebody does, because I enjoy watching that kind of unusual (in MMA) style but canít idolise a pee drinker.
It might be possible. Andy Hug used a lot of axe kicks in his matches which are, at least for me, even harder to do and have the same decrease in strength.
Originally Posted by maofas
On the other hand I still use the hook kick quite often in savate because the decrease in strength is less important than the elusiveness of it due to the shoes.