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    Have you ever visited Boston?
    No why?
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    What I find interesting about discussions like this one - who have, let's be honest, moved way away from the original topic - is that people judge capitalism as a key factor in democracy; I think it isn't.

    Also, the popular juxtaposition of capitalism and socialism is factually wrong. What I understand many American republicans - who originated that comparison - really only want to demonize the Democrats/Obama.

    It's frankly nonsense that socialism will "destroy Western society as we know it"; socialism as it is used in the current US political debate is nothing but "to take care of the weak", and that, in my opinion, should be a basic understatement.

    Look at Europe - we have universal healthcare in almost every country around here, as well as a way better support for the unemployed. It's a system our politicians call "social democracy" or "social market economy", and it has worked pretty well so far.

    And you know who invented it? - Your own Franklyn Delano Roosevelt, who did the first step into that direction with his New Deal policy back in the 1930s.

    I've recently watched a documentary about him, where he says the following:

    YouTube- FDR: A Presidency Revealed: Part 3

    - Starts at 0:05. - I see certain parallels to the current political situation in the USA, and I sure hope things will work out as well for you as they did under Roosevelt, WITHOUT a great war, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooded Justice View Post
    If you are willing to deny them the right to arms and they are proven to be only a burden then why not just kill them?
    Yeah, why not? ^_^

    I was asking in regards to specifically, legally how do they deny felons their legal right to bear arms? Did the ACLU fight against that? And logic as in their thinking and justification using the law.
    Why are you asking me? I'm an English Lit/Linguistics & Philosophy major, not Law. Go ask one of the Lawyers in Residence, or do your own homework....


    True but at the time population density was such that you could fire a cannon and not even hit your closest neighbors land.
    Yeah, but they probably saved 'em up for a rainy day...
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    I guess I was confused by your use of synthetic environment. I am not trying to bitch, just trying to give examples to illustrate my point.
    Oh. Okay :qbluewack

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics
    Like I said... Guidelines(think captain barbosa voice here). Notice how politicians don't get fired for ethics violations?
    Yeah... I'd like to do something to rectify that... perhaps when the American people are more concerned with THE GOOD over THE LEGAL, things will change...
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael View Post
    What I find interesting about discussions like this one - who have, let's be honest, moved way away from the original topic - is that people judge capitalism as a key factor in democracy; I think it isn't.

    Also, the popular juxtaposition of capitalism and socialism is factually wrong. What I understand many American republicans - who originated that comparison - really only want to demonize the Democrats/Obama.

    It's frankly nonsense that socialism will "destroy Western society as we know it"; socialism as it is used in the current US political debate is nothing but "to take care of the weak", and that, in my opinion, should be a basic understatement.

    Look at Europe - we have universal healthcare in almost every country around here, as well as a way better support for the unemployed. It's a system our politicians call "social democracy" or "social market economy", and it has worked pretty well so far.

    And you know who invented it? - Your own Franklyn Delano Roosevelt, who did the first step into that direction with his New Deal policy back in the 1930s.

    I've recently watched a documentary about him, where he says the following:

    YouTube- FDR: A Presidency Revealed: Part 3

    - Starts at 0:05. - I see certain parallels to the current political situation in the USA, and I sure hope things will work out as well for you as they did under Roosevelt, WITHOUT a great war, of course.
    Yeah, that's all well & good, but that isn't what the U.S. is about. The "New Deal" should have been dismantled after WW2 & the Depression was over, but it wasn't; it was perpetuation and now some idiots would like to expand it. Again, it's ANTI-AMERICAN.
    I'll rest on the Constitution of the United States, which made this country into arguably the greatest, most powerful and plentiful in history, despite the fucking leeches to the system that we've had to deal with. "Oh, look how much prosperity! Oh, but let's make sure that everyone's provided for... " Bullshit!
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
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    Why is it that you interpret every criticism of Capitalism as an endorsement of Socialism as if those two system exhaust the universe of possibilities?
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    Why are you asking me? I'm an English Lit/Linguistics & Philosophy major
    Maybe it's time to stop avoiding that formal logic requirement ;)

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    Have you ever lived in another country?
    Yes, I've lived in Sweden and Finland. The standard of living is generally higher (especially in Norway), but social democracy gives me the willies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooded Justice View Post
    No why?
    Cy's point, as I take it, is in regards to population density. I think he's wrong on this though: in 1775 the population of Boston was only 15,520. That's a population density of 320/sq mi (today's density is 12,813/sq mi)
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    Yes, I've lived in Sweden and Finland. The standard of living is generally higher (especially in Norway), but social democracy gives me the willies.


    It was actually my question. Thanks for answering I have a better idea of what you think is fair and what society you look to and admire.

    Those countries do have a high standard of living in comparison to most other countries. So if you like it very hard to be rich and live comparable to the man next to you they are great places. But in those countries only rich people have cars. The tax rate on autos is 150%. Combined tax rate for the wealthy is 90% which is not going to kill "old money" but if you want to be rich its near impossible for someone of no means to accumulate wealth.

    I think these countries have harmony more so because of the people rather than the system. Its common for them to know 5 languages, be mindful of their fellow human and have fully auto weapons in their home. I think the culture promotes harmony and they would do well under any system of government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooded Justice View Post
    And since the topic was self made wealth vs inherited/luck wealth it is legitimate to say that by being born into money you invalidate the idea that money is a reward for societal excellence.
    Which is a pretty silly idea in the first place. We do try to incentivize wealth creation, but not every act of virtue is rewarded in cash, nor is every act that fails to meet with your approval punishable by a fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    Cy's point, as I take it, is in regards to population density. I think he's wrong on this though: in 1775 the population of Boston was only 15,520. That's a population density of 320/sq mi (today's density is 12,813/sq mi)
    Wrong how? I don't argue that the population density is the same now as then.
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