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  1. Emevas is offline
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    Don't take my advice on nutrition, I don't know what I'm doing, haha.
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    Does anyone have any insight on the claims about intermittent fasting listed here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting

    All the claims are cited to research articles, but only the abstracts are available for free.

    On the surface it seems that fasting can be beneficial to health, but not for building muscle.

    Hopefully someone with more knowledge on this subject can give some better advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMAMickey View Post
    Anyway, according to the sales pitch of this product short term fasting doesn't slow your metabolism and causes hormones to be released which will help fat loss etc etc.
    I'll link to research rather than give personal experience with it. I think the below articles are all free access.

    Metabolism not slowing from not eating (you need longer than a couple of days for this)
    http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/81/1/69

    Growth hormone release from fasting
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...9/?tool=pubmed

    Prevention of muscle wasting during fasting
    http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org...t/50/1/96.long
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrogantBastard View Post
    On the surface it seems that fasting can be beneficial to health, but not for building muscle.
    I'm not sure about muscle building, but if you do a progressive resistance training regime without being malnourished, I don't see why you can't make muscle gains. See papers relating to Growth hormone increases above as well.
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    Isn't not eating pretty much the definition of being malnourished? You are not going to build muscle by not eating, that is for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sang View Post
    Isn't not eating pretty much the definition of being malnourished? You are not going to build muscle by not eating, that is for sure.
    I'm pretty sure intermittent fasting doesn't cause malnutrition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sang View Post
    Isn't not eating pretty much the definition of being malnourished? You are not going to build muscle by not eating, that is for sure.
    My understanding of malnourishment is over a period of days-weeks, not an individual fluctuation over 24 hours.
  8. Lindz is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sang View Post
    Isn't not eating pretty much the definition of being malnourished? You are not going to build muscle by not eating, that is for sure.
    No, it means getting the wrong or unbalanced nutrition. So you could be super fat by dint of too much fat and quite likely a lack of lots of important vitamins and stuff.
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    The way the short term fasting is set up in eat-stop-eat is basically just to create a calorific deficit over a week.

    You never go more than 24 hours and never do a full day without eating.
    Example. eat lunch on friday and dont eat again until lunch on saturday. That way you eat on both Friday and Saturday but just miss a couple of meals.

    You do 2 x 24 hour fasts per week.

    Instead of cutting calories each day you just do it in two large blocks.

    I tried it for a while but i was on a novice progression so a calorific deficit wasn't what i needed.
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    I don't think there's any point where fasting is actually needed outside of martyrdom. I just don't get the point, apart from saving money that is.
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