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  1. maofas is offline
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    So how much does the coach whose job it is to kick Mir in the ass while he's shooting get paid and is there a job opening?
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    Quote Originally Posted by P Marsh View Post
    I don't think he should be talking about Columbine being avoidable if teachers had firearms. Columbine was a result of extreme social factors developing two exiles into people who wanted to use their classmates and themselves to express the quality of life that they lived (bad in a nutshell explanation). Teachers with firearms is a really bad idea because school shooters very rarely survive their own rampage as do workplace shooters. Guns on teachers would make them bigger targets for shooters because they are now legitimate threats and teachers would now be targeted first and foremost.

    You are assuming that teachers who choose to be armed would publically announce to the entire school that they pack heat. Its called "concealed carry" for a reason. Also I'm not convinced your being helpless strategy would make you less likely to be a victem of gun violence.
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    If teachers need to carry guns to do their job this country is fucked no matter what and we don't need to worry either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatrugbyguy View Post
    The soldiers in Fort Hood (and most bases in North America) had less access to firearms on base than they would walking down the street in civilian clothes on their own time. That fuckface had enough military experience to know this and take advantage of it.
    Which reinforces the benefits of an armed citizenry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maofas View Post
    If teachers need to carry guns to do their job this country is fucked no matter what and we don't need to worry either way.
    FYI, even Confucius was known to carry a dagger and promote armed citizenry. He also advocated that a population overthrowing its own leader/government/lord is a natural part of social order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maofas View Post
    If teachers need to carry guns to do their job this country is fucked no matter what and we don't need to worry either way.
    Now come on. I'm pretty leftist and hippie but that's a red herring if i've ever seen one. It's not about doing their jobs or not doing their jobs, it's about creating the environment that says a school is a bad place to try and criminalize. Having expensive security or your campus situated right by a police station would achieve the same result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whathappened View Post
    Which reinforces the benefits of an armed citizenry.
    And of course that doesn't present any other problems whatsoever...

    Hey, I'm supportive of people carrying weapons within the rule of law (in whatever country you happen to be in) but there is always a risk involved. Most people can handle firearms, just like most people can drink responsibly. But it's the ones who can't that you have to worry about.

    Back on topic, I find it hard to take Frank Mir seriously on just about anything. But if there is any work to be had that involves kicking him in the ass, I'll gladly apply and would even pay for the opportunity.
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    And of course that doesn't present any other problems whatsoever...
    No.2 reason why no nation tries to invade USA, there's more guns (aka ranged weapons) per capita than any known country in the world in any time period of history. Not even China (When archery was utilized in sport, festivities, politics and war).

    Does USA have problems regarding/due to their availability? Sure.

    Don't have to carry and unable/forbidden/illegal/etc to carry are two different things, one involves choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suprore View Post
    Now come on. I'm pretty leftist and hippie but that's a red herring if i've ever seen one. It's not about doing their jobs or not doing their jobs, it's about creating the environment that says a school is a bad place to try and criminalize. Having expensive security or your campus situated right by a police station would achieve the same result.
    But carrying a gun to go to work doesn't criminalize an environment? If you can't teach without carrying a gun you're scared of your kids and shouldn't be a teacher.

    NYPD were assigned directly to most of the schools I taught at. If a hs is prone to violence having a trained LEO on the scene (who is able to radio for more cops at any time) is better than random people shooting back and forth around shitloads of kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whathappened View Post
    No.2 reason why no nation tries to invade USA, there's more guns (aka ranged weapons) per capita than any known country in the world in any time period of history. Not even China (When archery was utilized in sport, festivities, politics and war).

    Does USA have problems regarding/due to their availability? Sure.

    Don't have to carry and unable/forbidden/illegal/etc to carry are two different things, one involves choice.
    The reason why no-one invades the US s because there are only three nations capable of doing it cheaply, Canada, Mexico, and possibly Russia. Distance is a prime factor and its why the US has so many military bases over the world. Armed citizens don't mean **** to a tank battalion or bombing operations let alone the most likely thread of long range missile strikes.
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