Thread: Chuck Hardin's Judo claims...
6/22/2010 10:39am, #1
Chuck Hardin's Judo claims...
OK, this will be in stages throughout the day. So this first:
At that link, anyone can download the forms that USJA uses for various events and Judo Business.
The above will link to the rank tabs used by USJA.
More to come."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
6/22/2010 10:44am, #2
This isn't a game show.
Post the conclusions of the information you have please."To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
6/22/2010 11:15am, #3
A few days ago, I was asked to look into the claims of Chuck Hardin, perhaps asked is too tame, dragged kicking and screaming is more correct.
Mr. Hardin has claimed Judo activity in his youth (25 years ago,) Shiai attendance, and that he earned the rank of Sankyu (3rd degree brown belt.) Also, Mr. Hardin claims to have fought as a junior, never as a senior.
The first thing that struck me as odd was the confusion in the story about Sankyu being either a Green Belt or a Brown Belt. There is no such confusion in the USJA.
When a person is promoted in the USJA, a promotion packet is sent to one of three people, the player, the coach, or the club secretary. There is a box to check on all USJA forms of this nature to decide where it is sent. In the promotion packet are three items of interest. There is a new rank paper, a new membership card reflecting your new rank, and a rank tab for your Judo Gi. The senior rank tabs may be found here...
As you can see, the belt color is plainly the background color on the rank tab. Moreover, the color of the belt is also on the USJA Rank Certificate. So there could not possibly be any confusion as to what color belt a Sankyu is.
However, there is yet another problem. Chuck says he was a junior, and ages 14 - 16 IS a junior in USJA, the term "kyu" is not used. Juniors in USJA have a different set of requirements and rank tabs.
There rank tabs are here:
The promotion forms and tests for Junior and Senior Ranks are here...
Down load the PDF files, as they are too big to post here.
So, we now have a major area of confusion. To wit; how did a Junior obtain Senior ranks?"Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
6/22/2010 11:18am, #4
Moreover, I am typing this as I go along, so with all due respect, I will do this as best as I can, as quickly as I can, and in the manner I was asked to do it.
Is that ok with you?
PS: I have been asked by staff to wait until this evening to post more. I will honor that request. However, once this is done, so am I.
6/22/2010 11:24am, #5
Sure Mark that is fine with me, my comments were to ensure this wasn't going to be some dragged out thread.
Had you explained in your opening post the reasoning for the "more to follow" aspect, that wouldn't have caused me to make my request which was reasonable."To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
6/22/2010 11:29am, #6
...especially when I can not put on my ignore list, someone who insulted me.
6/22/2010 11:32am, #7
Last edited by Rock Ape; 6/22/2010 11:40am at ."To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
6/22/2010 11:41am, #8
I can't beleive I am having to do this...
This is MABS.
Please take the back-and-forth pissing contest to PM if necessary.
6/22/2010 11:47am, #9
- Join Date
- Mar 2007
- Vancouver, BC
- BJJ, judo, rapier
Some observations from the other thread:
- Chuck said that his instructor’s system was initially some weird homebrew with red, white, and blue belts and all kinds of weirdness, which later morphed into a more conventional judo program. It’s unclear to me whether the normal senior/junior rules were necessarily followed in any detail.
- Given the above, and given the fact that “kyu” is standard terminology for non-yudansha ranks in many JMAs, I don’t think that “sankyu” is a very confusing term no matter what the USJA may do for juniors.
- His profile, as cited, claimed that he attained “sankyu under an officially certified judo shodan” or something to this effect. The phrasing was interesting in that the assertion was explicit that his instructor held official rank, but was not explicit in asserting that Chunk’s own rank was registered. From what I read (in that long thread, I may well have missed some pertinent posts) it’s entirely possible that he only had a dojo rank of sankyu. If his instructor cannot be found in the records, then and only then was that account dishonest.
6/22/2010 11:48am, #10
Spare me the conflict resolution clap trap where we blame both people for a single insult. I DID NOT ASK to do this, and I DID NOT WANT to do this.
I am keeping my word then you all can go **** yourselves.