2/17/2010 12:55pm, #31
so you are in high school, right?"Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
"When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
"Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
"Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj
2/17/2010 3:02pm, #32
I think he did say that he was in HS, and I know we'd all say to get into the wrestling program, if possible. If possible because in my HS pretty much anyone could join and train, but some schools are restrictive and in Logan Utah when I and my son talked to the coach and told him it would be good to expand to include ground training to his several years of karate standup, the moron coach sneered, "Those karate guys think they're tough." So that was that. I thought briefly about kicking his face, but wtf, we just said, well, that's that, he's a dope. Turned out he is a total douche bag fuckwit and was canned years later as coach. Kind of coach that belittles some of the team members and punishes the losers etc. Too bad it took so long to dump him as the new coach is a great guy and a favorite of my kids. But too late....
But anyway, jimmyeddy, if you want cheap practical training go out for wrestling (and track and weight lifting and whatever else they offer).
And to answer your last post, yeah, if a Kenpo guy cross trains Muay Thai and boxing it's a good indication of decent training. A lot of AK (American Kenpo) sucks, but we had a AK school here for several years that sparred full contact (with gear) and went to the ground to tap out. One of the Sr. AK nearby instructors went to professional kick boxing back when it first came out and I think he influence the Utah and Wyoming AK people to become more of a realistic fighting art."Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
2/17/2010 7:36pm, #33
- Join Date
- Jul 2008
my school doesnt offer wrestling :( but i think i might go because master boise is very good and does coach boxing and muay thai so i think that it will be good but if not i could always leave
2/17/2010 8:41pm, #34
here's a quote from an old thread on Villari: Villari's Martial Arts Center - No BS MMA and Martial Arts
"Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
2/17/2010 9:32pm, #35
1/03/2011 2:19am, #36
- Join Date
- Dec 2010
All styles aside, the 2 determining factors needed to build a balanced fighter are a good instructor and the individual fighter's demeanor or will to win. That being said, Kenpo/Kempo is as solid a foundation as any other. Villari's is not exempt from quality control issues at individual locations, but the system itself is a particularly robust system of Kempo which incorporates puzzle pieces from other proven sources:
1. Karate Pinans (loosely based on Okinawan and Shotokan styles),
2. Kempo Kata (Hybrid by GM Villari from existing Kempo Kata)
3. "Animal" techniques and dozens of other unnamed, "Kempo's." These are non-standardized forms which use kung fu strikes (like the crane's wing, tiger's claw, snake strike...) but are not truly kung fu movements. They are unique to kempo, and are more "to the point" than traditional wushu animals.
4. Various Blocking Systems (8 point Karate, Plum Tree Kempo, 11 Hands of Buddha Kempo)
4. The official 108 Combinations - the canon of Villari's system. Many of these were invented by Fred Villari from scratch and were taught exclusively in Villari Dojos until offshoot masters started to branch off from Villari's. Many of these can be seen on youtube at this point in history, but the majority still must be passed on to a student by an instructor.
5. Chin Na (chinese grappling, trapping, throwing - more thorough precursor to aikido/judo/jujutsu) and Mongolian/Tibetan wrestling (think Sumo, but a much older, less sport oriented variant).
6. There are dozens of blackbelt forms to be learned too: Twisting Tigers, Honsuki, Sho Ton Kwak, Branches of the Fallen Pine, Invincible Wall, and then there are closely guarded forms only for Master-level Villari's practitioners like "Immortal Monkey."
People rip on Fred Villari for many reasons - some of them fair - but his system of Martial Arts, when taught by a dedicated instructor and learned by a motivated student is a rock solid system. My instructor is a 25+ year veteran of Villari's, still trains himself for several hours daily, runs every single class personally, is known to FAIL people at belt tests if they deserve to fail, and has tested his skills as an urban bar-bouncer, and open-style tournament fighter. He runs kid's classes too (which is fine in my opinion) but the adult program is great. respectful, informative, and VERY challenging.
After experience in Judo and TKD, I am VERY impressed with the depth of the Vilari's SKK system, although I acknowledge that a lot of Villari's school have closed due to bad management. If you are motivated to learn to fight, and can find a good school close by, Villari's works, and that's it.
Here's a good example of some of the animal-style kempo's taught at a Villari's school: YouTube - Animals techniques
1/03/2011 10:44am, #37
- Join Date
- Oct 2010
- Palm Coast, Florida
The SYSTEM of SKK is much like any other Karate system that involves self-defense specific techniques and kata...the key is learning to USE what is being taught.
I know at my school during sparring we are instructed to use the techniques we are taught (strikes, blocks, takedowns, grappling, kempos, combinations) and if we aren't we get called on it. Also, when practicing techniques (combinations) if you miss your block/slip/evade you're getting hit period, compliance while still on your feet is not encouraged. (Only when you're being thrown does he want you to "fall").
Honestly, the name Villari makes me sick. I hate that the striking/base system I use can be associated with him...
1/03/2011 11:32am, #38
- Join Date
- Jun 2008
- Toronto, Canada
Here we go again...first post = thread necro + lengthy tome + defending a master or style. At least this time we get a vid to back up the argument.
Kurt, you should click over to the newbietown section to introduce yourself, and lurk a while before diving into deep discussions.
Now about the video... I watched the first minute and the fifth minute. It all looks like the typical BS that we rail against here. The "uke" or attacker throws one telegraphed step through lunge punch and then freezes while the expert throws a flurry of unanswered techniques requiring extreme precision and skill. There is no contact and no aliveness - great exercise, perhaps, but not effective training for self defense.
1/03/2011 11:34am, #39
1/03/2011 11:58am, #40