Villari self defense effectiveness

**jimmyeddy** · Posted On: 2/15/2010 2:21pm

i realize we have talked about villari ALOT already but im not concerned with the man or his mcdojoness im wondering if anyone has has first hand experience with vilari's self defense and if so is it any good

**dig7six** · Posted On: 2/15/2010 6:14pm

Originally Posted by jimmyeddy

i realize we have talked about villari ALOT already but im not concerned with the man or his mcdojoness im wondering if anyone has has first hand experience with vilari's self defense and if so is it any good

How could it not be ?

YouTube- Villari's Self-Defense Demo Team at Cambridge Carnival

**jimmyeddy** · Posted On: 2/15/2010 8:35pm

yea but those are just kids i want to know if a practitioner with good form and proper technique could make the self defense work

**NJM** · Posted On: 2/15/2010 11:23pm

Nope.

**patfromlogan** · Posted On: 2/15/2010 11:56pm

uh, maybe?

**Gulogod** · Posted On: 2/16/2010 9:22am

day care center?

**dig7six** · Posted On: 2/16/2010 10:03am

Originally Posted by jimmyeddy

yea but those are just kids i want to know if a practitioner with good form and proper technique could make the self defense work

^ Fair enough

YouTube- Fred Villari in Action

Here is the rubber neck himself. looks completely worthless to me, not to mention this guy apparently claims he is the first one to create a system that covered all the ranges of combat...if you believe that then your in left field and the game is already over.

YouTube- Villari's #13 Combination

In case you ever need to know how to smack the hell out of a completely innocent student who is retarded enough to stand still and let you while a crowd sits in amazement. Personally if that would have been my kid or me..we would have had video footage of Villaris system being effective or not.

YouTube- Grandmaster Fred Villari Teaches Shaolin Dragon

YouTube- Grandmaster Villari Teaches More Chin Na

And here is the captain himself again teaching what is cleary practical concepts

Id say its not effective.

**dig7six** · Posted On: 2/16/2010 10:50am

YouTube- Villari's CT Instructors Demo 2002

YouTube- Black Belt Sparring from Villari's Martial Arts

HAha...if you cant answer your own question on if this is effective or not, i think perhaps that fighting might not be for you.

This is bad, just bad..by a point sparring standard even.

**jimmyeddy** · Posted On: 2/16/2010 5:17pm

yea i get what your saying but those guys have been in skk all their martial arts career so of course their gunna be bad. i have done boxing taekwondo and jiu jitsu i have very good strict form on my techniques so im wondering if someone with really good form from a different style could come in and make it work. i just wanna learn kempo and thts the only school near me

**patfromlogan** · Posted On: 2/16/2010 5:36pm

I think that Villari is watered down Kajukenbo + whatever he made up or took from other styles. It's not that all the techniques suck, it's the way they are taught. In the good Kajukenbo and Hawaiian Kempo they spar hard, go to the ground, often do improvised self-defense drills (you attack and get attacked in many ways for an hour or so); in other words they use resistance and "live" training methods, in addition to partnered technique drills. With V. I'm afraid all you are going to get is compliant drills and those will get you killed in a self-defense scenario.

This may give you an idea, it's from a couple threads below. Note the difference in sparring and ask yourself, who do you think would win a "fight" between the guys in the bb sparring in the Villari video and the Kaju/Kempo guys in this video. And this isn't a tournament, like the Villari vid, this is just a throwdown meeting of a couple schools. In the second vid, a belt test I think both the guys could march through a Villari school and wipe 'em all out.

YouTube- Pupule Throwdown Medley here's a Kaju belt test;YouTube- Kingi's Kajukenbo Black Belt Test - Adam & Gariner