Thread: Female Equivalent of "Sifu"?
2/15/2010 12:24am, #11
2/15/2010 12:36am, #12
I've also heard the term Simo to refer to a sifu's wife, whether or not they practice kung fu.
2/15/2010 12:54am, #13
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look up what "fu" and "mo" mean, and you'll see that they are associated with GENDER. As politically incorrect as this may be, there was no formal title for a female teacher because the Chinese assumed there never would be any! Simo is usually the teacher's wife, but nowadays people use it for female teachers... calling a woman "siFU" makes a much sense as calling her "sir"
2/15/2010 1:13am, #14
2/15/2010 2:04am, #15
Wing Chun is was supposely founded by a female (Ng Mui) and named after one of her female students (Yim Wing Chun).
2/15/2010 2:07am, #16
2/15/2010 5:55am, #17
Bow to Simo Omega fool!
All you need to do is ask an instructor (or take your cue from senior students) on a case by case basis."I'm reluctant to sound like a total fa66ot as well, but my background in sculpture gave me an edge in understanding how we're expected to move thru space." - The Other Other Serge
2/15/2010 8:44am, #18
Written Chinese language can be traced directly to hieroglyphics/ cave man writing whatever you want to call it. You cannot look at the root word to know its meanings you must understand how Chinese people think. If you have ever tried to rely on most online translators you would understand that direct translation is often gibberish.
Mandarin is easier to follow so I will use to explain:
The Chinese word for good is "hao". The two characters that make up "hao" is a woman and a child. This means good to the ancient Chinese people.
The greeting for hello in Chinese is "Ni Hao". Its direct translation is "you good" but it means hello. “Ni hao” means hello, “ni hao ma” means “are you good?”
The word for so-so in Chinese is "ma ma hu hu". Its root meaning is horse, horse, tiger, tiger. Why? its said that many years ago a famous painter drew a horse and a tiger and people could not tell the difference hence the meaning- not too good.
ShiFu (SiFu)- the root words are teach and father. It means you know something and you are a mentor to someone else. FuChin is biological father and ShiFu is your chosen mentor. Its associated with kung fu teacher and sometimes the boss of technical skilled people like construction. Traditionally the father is the mentor and the mother is the care giver.
There was once a queen in China that declared herself King because her husband died. She declared herself King because queen means the King's wife.
The PC world has not infected China as it has the Western World. When you hire a crew to repair your home and you ask the female standing there "let me talk to your Shifu" you will be surprised when she says "I am the Shifu". Not because she refers to herself as ShiFu but because she is a female boss in a blue collar line of work. The same will apply to kung fu.
If you want to be a male feminist and change what the words mean for the betterment of society then you can start that trend. If you are really trying to find the correct way Chinese people use terms SiFu means teacher and SiMo means teachers wife. For the very rare case the terms don’t match the gender the Chinese people don’t seem to worry about it.
Side note: In China there seems to be a trend where kung fu teachers are having students call them laoshi (shi sounds like sure) which means teacher. It takes away the personal relationship meaning which makes sense as the students that use the term are often foreigners or "seminar type" students.
2/15/2010 10:14am, #19
2/15/2010 11:16am, #20