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  1. nnate is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whathappened View Post
    There was chun, alot of the advanced stuff, so it wouldn't be recognisable to the layman. Esp. pinning Sirc in the corner, futsao to the neck, trap and pound, that's chumkiu (2nd form). DTT's front kick and enter, again chunnery.

    Honestly, this the major issue after this fight will probably be how much chun was used.

    I honestly wish people would wait until the dust has settled before the forum drama starts. But that's not going to happen.

    I've done some chun in the past, and I saw some very chun-like things in what DTT was doing. Just a little. As you said, the front kick and enter, and some of the head control.

    But there were also some weak spots were DTT was just brawling.

    But I'm going to let DTT post before I get into the details.
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    I have to say this has really motivated me. My injuries are almost healed and I was having trouble getting psyched up, but seeing two people put it on the line like this really fires me up.
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    No, I don't think they would be reversed, but they would move closer to the 50/50 mark until it becomes skill vs skill. Then again, I think size would win. The ability to absorb more punishment (Joint strikes or Soft tissue strikes being the exception of course), and the added strength, a good to very good big will more often beat a good to very good small.

    Something like this for strictly stand up:

    bad small vs bad big = bad big win (unless a lucky hit)
    good small vs bad big = 50/50 wins
    very good small vs bad big = very good small win

    bad small vs good big = good big win
    good small vs good big = 25/75 (small/big win ratio)
    very good small vs good big = 50/50 (small/big win ratio)

    bad small vs very good big = get a mop and clean the floor of the little guy
    good small vs very good big = 10/90 (small/big win ratio)
    very good small vs very good big = 25/75 (small/big win ratio)

    Would be interesting to gather the "official" metrics. :)

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    Look^ just because you play D&D on Facebook, doesn't mean you know WTF you're talking about...
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    Serge, don't you have a chode to eat or something? Just because Leafy McLeafy the Druid is getting his ass handed to him on a daily basis, doesn't mean it has any bearing on my life outside the warm fuzzies of FB. ;p

    Sheesh.

    You make me want to cry. Your words hurt more than your feeble attemps at an ankle lock.

    -Abue
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    @Abue

    I find your stats amazingly hard to believe, I watched a 5'8 kick boxer square off with a 6'2 kyokushin in no grappling and the kickboxer solidly comming out on top. I assume your not speaking on experiance. Most of the fights against small people I've had is that they dance around... alot... and when they do come in its not a sissy small smack. It hurts.
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    I'm hoping you two don't have a sambo connection.

    Abue = bad-small-small

    serge = Very-good-big-small

    Someone work out the damage.
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    @Lily

    ITS OVER 9000!
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    I dont think the issue is or ever was "chun vs ____" DTT said he's testing himself not his style. As has been said, there was some chun-like movement, some brawling, and some smart grappling from DTT. He had Sirc's back and looked like he decided not to set in hooks, didn't go for any chokes when he had opportunity but kept punching and pressuring Sirc instead. That's a rock solid use of minimal grappling skills in my book.

    Looks like DTT's grappling is pretty brand new but I saw some good head control, pressure from the top, and he seemed to know when he was in trouble and when he wasn't as far as leg attacks. That surprised the **** out of me...

    For Sirc's part, I think his game plan was sound - throw some strikes then get it on the ground where his disadvantage in size and striking isn't quite as pronounced. It didn't work out. I think DTT was more prepared than anyone thought. Still Sirc didn't quit -although he did look exhausted and desparate at the end.

    I have to +rep both for a good show - WAY better than I thought it would be on all fronts. Congratulations fellas. Thanks to theotherserge for hosting and to everyone who made this a good, safe fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whathappened View Post
    There was chun, alot of the advanced stuff, so it wouldn't be recognisable to the layman. Esp. pinning Sirc in the corner, futsao to the neck, trap and pound, that's chumkiu (2nd form). DTT's front kick and enter, again chunnery.
    I disagree and think this is why your WC is less than stellar.
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