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    Brain Injuries and Combat Sports

    So we were in class one day discussing head injuries and the professor was saying "What the **** is wrong with these idiot motherfuckers who box and ****? Don't they know they're getting themselves all fucked up. Look at Muhammad Ali, he has Dementia Pugilistica like a ************, and motherfuckers still won't learn. They just still be beating the **** out of each other. Fuckin' idiots, mayne."

    And I didn't say ****, because she was the professor.

    Anywhoo. I need you to post a copy of, or a link to every article you have or have every read about traumatic brain injuries, concussions etc., and their relation to combat sports like boxing, kickboxing, mixed martial arts, full contact poker, etc.

    Or otherwise just discuss the ****, but acknowledge that doing so without posting an article makes you an inferior human being. But if **** is hilarious, then **** is hilarious, nah mean?
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    Ali has Parkinsons Syndrome.

    'He said that the rate of Parkinson's disease for boxers has not been shown to be any higher than for other professions. He added that football players, despite often suffering multiple concussions, have not been shown to suffer widely from the disease.'

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3226909&page=1
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    The American Association of Neurological Surgeons say that 90% of boxers sustain a brain injury.
    http://menshealth.about.com/od/fitness/a/boxing.htm

    But funnily enough, the top three sports of head injuries, hospital admitted, are in fact: Cycling, Football and Basketball.

    http://www.neurosurgerytoday.org/wha...t_e/sports.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by sainthamish View Post
    Ali has Parkinsons Syndrome.

    'He said that the rate of Parkinson's disease for boxers has not been shown to be any higher than for other professions. He added that football players, despite often suffering multiple concussions, have not been shown to suffer widely from the disease.'

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3226909&page=1
    But dementia pugilistica can cause Parkinsonism. Really it's quite possible that Ali's Parkinsonism is related to his career, even though *Parkinson's disease* is not more common in boxers.
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    But dementia pugilistica can cause Parkinsonism. Really it's quite possible that Ali's Parkinsonism is related to his career, even though *Parkinson's disease* is not more common in boxers.

    Quote Originally Posted by James Boyer, MD View Post
    "There is a disease seen in boxers called dementia pugilistica that looks a lot like Parkinson's disease," says Dr. Bower. "Although our patients did not have dementia pugilistica, it gave us a hint that there may be a link between trauma and parkinsonian symptoms."
    There is a possible link between the two but nothing definate. However it can be assumed that there is a connection between head injuries and Parkinsonism.

    Quote Originally Posted by James Boyer, MD View Post
    Even though the association between head injury and Parkinson?s is strong, the investigators caution that no direct causal link can be made between head injury and Parkinsons.
    Hopefully a Med Ex could clarify some details in this thread....

    EDIT: Link - http://www.neuroskills.com/pr-parkinsons.shtml
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    I work for a NGO Acquired Brain Injury Rehabilitation Service, and the general consensus around here is that traumatic head injury is considered a "risk factor" in predisposing someone to Parkinsons.

    Having said that, in the last 21 years (lifespan of our service, I've been here for 7), out of 30-40 clients suffering from mild to severe ABIs, 0 have developed Parkinsons.

    Having said that, any organic deterioration, whether it is the onset of parkinsons, dementia, alzheimers, etc, is likely to accelerate when the individual has an acquired brain injury.

    Taken from http://www.neurologyreviews.com/09Ju...inson%27s.html

    Head injury has also been implicated as a risk factor for Parkinson’s disease. In a study involving 400 twin pairs, Dr. Tanner and colleagues observed that head injury was indirectly associated with Parkinson’s disease.

    Other population studies have also investigated the association between head injury and Parkinson’s disease. “However, only about 60% of those studies that have been published have actually found this association between head injury and disease, and the reason for this difference is not well understood,” said Dr. Tanner.


    One study that might help explain this discrepancy was presented at the AAN meeting by Dr. Tanner’s colleague at the Parkinson’s Institute, Samuel Goldman, MD, MPH. Dr. Goldman’s group found that head injury was not associated with Parkinson’s disease, overall; however, individuals who had head injury and either of one of two variants of the α-synuclein (SNCA) gene had a two- to threefold increased risk of Parkinson’s disease.

    Patients who had head injury and both of these variants had an 11-fold increased risk for Parkinson’s disease, while patients who had head injury but did not have either SNCA gene variant did not have an increased risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadmeat View Post
    I work for a NGO Acquired Brain Injury Rehabilitation Service, and the general consensus around here is that traumatic head injury is considered a "risk factor" in predisposing someone to Parkinsons.

    Having said that, in the last 21 years (lifespan of our service, I've been here for 7), out of 30-40 clients suffering from mild to severe ABIs, 0 have developed Parkinsons.

    Having said that, any organic deterioration, whether it is the onset of parkinsons, dementia, alzheimers, etc, is likely to accelerate when the individual has an acquired brain injury.
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    You're getting punched in the head, how can that not be bad for you? I mean, it's not as if brain tissue is anything like muscle tissue, in which micro-tears make it stronger. At best, you won't have any ill effects, and at worst you die. It's not like weight lifting which has the scope of making you stronger and more resistant to injury all the way to directly causing injury if you **** up and overdo it. Any discussion of boxing and getting punched in the head repeatedly has to admit that there is no risk:reward ratio, only risk.
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