There was a crapload of grappling in old style BKB. Throws and trips were common and there were at least 3 different "head locks" taught, all named "Chancery," including what is now often referred to as the guillotine.
Originally Posted by kcvmac
In classical BKB, it was all standing grapples, of course. The round ended when someone hit the ground. However, it was pretty common in Physical Culture for armatures, self defense minded folk, and sometimes professionals too, to cross-train in both BKB and Wrestling.
Peace favor your sword,
This form of boxing guard was popular back in the days grappling and even ground work was legal in boxing. It's primary purpose was to keep the other guy away from you. It may seem stupid, but before the advent of Marquis of Queenberry rules, there was no ban on wrestling. In particular, I have heard of a "cross buttock" throw ( very similar to the koshi-guruma in Judo). Iain Abernethy Sensei (5th Dan Shotokan Karate) has also rediscovered the use of this throw within some Shotokan kata.
Strictly according to the rules, standing grappling was legal. Trips, throws, locks, some strangles, etc. Ground work wasn't possible because the round ended when one participant hit the ground. Then they would Toe the Scratch and start the next round. Of course, that didn't preclude sneaking in a knee-ride on the way down or "accidentally" landing on top of your opponent at the end of a throw.
Originally Posted by judoist
It also served to keep distance from the fists. i.e., To make it harder to get hit and have more time to see it coming.
It's primary purpose was to keep the other guy away from you.
There are multiple throws in historic literature labeled as Cross-Buttock. Without exception they are all some form of trip or hip-toss which pulls or draws the person being thrown (Uke in Japanese parlance) across the hip of the thrower. Sometimes it was sort of o goshi/koshi garuma type throw, lifting the opponent up on the back. Sometimes it was nearly a tai otoshi.
It may seem stupid, but before the advent of Marquis of Queenberry rules, there was no ban on wrestling. In particular, I have heard of a "cross buttock" throw ( very similar to the koshi-guruma in Judo).
In once instance it was shown as the the uke and tori being back to back, tori lifting uke on to his back, for the throw.
But always drawing "across" the "buttock" for the throw. I personally favor a sort of cross between seoinage / koshigaruma for the throw because that seems to be what is most often represented in the historic manuals.
Nice fella. When I get my latest repub project done, I'll post a link on his forum too.
Iain Abernethy Sensei (5th Dan Shotokan Karate) has also rediscovered the use of this throw within some Shotokan kata.
Peace favor your sword,
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