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  1. honest_truth is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by karma2343 View Post
    I think part of it is in the way the sport is portrayed. The cage, the imagery on the apparel, the tough guy audience often found by UFC, etc really contribute to an image more violent than the sport actually is.
    I agree with everything you said except the cage part, the cage isnt there for the tough looks but more for the fighters safety.

    1st) it is easier for someone to topple over the ropes than over a cage, remember you can wrestle someone standing too, while in striking arts you cant do it for a prolonged period before the ref stops the fight.

    2nd) when grappling on the ground and comming close to the edge you dont need a ref to constantly restart you from the middle again because you got entangled in the ropes.

    The reason the japanese have MMA fights in rings is something about their sports commitee viewing fighting in a ring as sport, yet in a cage it is too brutal.
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    Once again, someone fails to understand the concept of grappling, and that there's more to fighting then going back and forth trading spin hook kicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honest_truth View Post
    YouTube- Jackie Chan Stuntmaster Interview (Funny Game)

    Watch this from 2:23 onwards, and you will understand his viewpoints, yes, this is the bonus interview from jackie chan stunt master when you finish the game, and a really amazing game at it actually.
    Quick summary: He doesn't like violence, but does like action. It's hard to have good action without violence. He's also not into bloody ****, gun fights, explosions, etc.

    Theater performer thinks he is more in tune with what martial arts is about than MMA fighters...right.
    You're cool and all Jackie, but you really need to STFU.
    He needs to STFU? Someone asked for his opinion. He gave it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honest_truth View Post
    I agree with everything you said except the cage part, the cage isnt there for the tough looks but more for the fighters safety.

    1st) it is easier for someone to topple over the ropes than over a cage, remember you can wrestle someone standing too, while in striking arts you cant do it for a prolonged period before the ref stops the fight.

    2nd) when grappling on the ground and comming close to the edge you dont need a ref to constantly restart you from the middle again because you got entangled in the ropes.

    The reason the japanese have MMA fights in rings is something about their sports commitee viewing fighting in a ring as sport, yet in a cage it is too brutal.
    I agree completely with how useful the cage is, its just the average person hears about using a cage and, rather than rationally debating the merits of a cage vs a ring, they make an association with "cage fighting" and it givens it a negative connotation to John Q Public.
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    Some good comments from the peanut gallery! Yes the sport looks more violent than it is and yes boxing is more dangerous.

    Yes the grappling is underappreciated as well. I understand Jackie's point of view Jackie is a performer not a fighter. He is in incredible shape and mind you... he does **** that a lot of MMA guys would piss in their pants if they had to do... but alas it is a different activity with different variables.
    This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.

    The fight in question having started over who owns which piece of rubble. Nicko1;2233174 On the Acquier Kim Fiasco slash thread.
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    I would have to say that Jackie is coming at the martial arts from a completely different mindset than the MMA crowd. Some still do practice the mysticism for mysticisms sake. Cant say good or bad, just different goals.
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    What mysticism?
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    **** Jackie Chan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karma2343 View Post
    I think part of it is in the way the sport is portrayed. The cage, the imagery on the apparel, the tough guy audience often found by UFC, etc really contribute to an image more violent than the sport actually is.
    True. However, he is probably also referring to organizations like Art Of War FC which looks even more violent than the UFC.
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    What are you guys talking about?
    Jackie Chan just saids you shouldn't hit people when they're down, theres no honour or respect in that. Thats it! Nothing about it being too violent.
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