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    Hardening bones

    Does hardening your bones increase your chance in getting arthritis or any other various types of bone deficiency. By hardening I am mostly referring to how Muay Thai fighters kick trees and what not, it seems like there should be some probably with their legs when they are older.:icescream
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    "In the early days Muay Thai training equipment was found from nature. The smooth, slightly spongy nature of the trunk of a banana tree was found suitable for kicking practice."

    With other words: banana trees are nature's boxing bags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zendokan View Post
    http://www.horizonmuaythai.com/history.html

    "In the early days Muay Thai training equipment was found from nature. The smooth, slightly spongy nature of the trunk of a banana tree was found suitable for kicking practice."

    With other words: banana trees are nature's boxing bags.
    Right but that hardens your bones and when they are hardened could there be problems with those hardened bones in the future.
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    Right but that hardens your bones and when they are hardened could there be problems with those hardened bones in the future.
    No, you are increasing your bones density, not the hardness.
    Just kick against a boxing bag without shinguards, the bones will slowly become more dense over a minimum period of 6 months.

    The thing that causes problems with legs in Muay Thai isn't this form of conditioning, but sparring at trainings without the shinguards and overflexing the knee joints when kicking.

    You fight without shinguards in competition and for conditioning against a boxing bag. At sparring, you use shinguards.

    *Edit: I have asked the Moderator to move this thread to the basic striking forum*
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    I think I get what the OP is asking.

    Yes, there is some eventual danger to continuous conditioning of the legs. A lot of Thai boxers have ended up with nasty leg problems from long hard careers of fighting, but you're probably not going to reach that stage unless you fight every week without proper nutrition and living conditions.

    You can read more about the lives of Thai boxers from Dr. Kitiarsa, who's done lots of research on the subject.
    http://sutir.sut.ac.th:8080/sutir/bi.../1/bib53.2.pdf

    It doesn't deal specifically with the issue you're asking about, but he does mention the health issues of Thai boxers later in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conde Koma View Post
    I think I get what the OP is asking.

    Yes, there is some eventual danger to continuous conditioning of the legs. A lot of Thai boxers have ended up with nasty leg problems from long hard careers of fighting, but you're probably not going to reach that stage unless you fight every week without proper nutrition and living conditions.

    You can read more about the lives of Thai boxers from Dr. Kitiarsa, who's done lots of research on the subject.
    http://sutir.sut.ac.th:8080/sutir/bi.../1/bib53.2.pdf

    It doesn't deal specifically with the issue you're asking about, but he does mention the health issues of Thai boxers later in life.

    Oh thanks for that.
    Another question on the subject is like when martial artists punch in like buckets of sand to harden their hands there have been stories of them having arthritis due to that training. All word of mouth but still curious.
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    Hand Conditioning: Iron Palm, Wrapping of the hands, Bag Gloves?? - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

    I haven't read the thing, but I'm assuming it should answer some of your questions. The search function is a wonderful thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conde Koma View Post
    Hand Conditioning: Iron Palm, Wrapping of the hands, Bag Gloves?? - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

    I haven't read the thing, but I'm assuming it should answer some of your questions. The search function is a wonderful thing.
    Ha agreed. As embarrassing and noobie as it sounds it (search) doesn't work wonders for me.
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    full contact martial arts **** up your body, this is a fact. When we get old all of us who compete in boxing/MT/Judo/Wrestling are likely to have at least some kind of residual injury, but lifting heavy weights regularly or running also causes damage in the long term.

    ..what I'm getting at is dont worry about arthiritis, worry about getting good at fighting, and as long as you do things properly you won't be any more fucked up than the rest of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conde Koma View Post
    Hand Conditioning: Iron Palm, Wrapping of the hands, Bag Gloves?? - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

    I haven't read the thing, but I'm assuming it should answer some of your questions. The search function is a wonderful thing.
    Really? That thread?
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