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  1. battlefields is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo Sigma View Post
    Mir's not a bad fighter by any means, but he just doesn't seem to have the skillset, or mindset for that matter, to beat Lesnar.
    "All I think about is ending Brock Lesnars career." Frank Mir in an interview with Fighters Only magazine.

    The guy reckons he doesn't even care about the belt anymore, he just cares about beating Brock. How can you say he doesn't have the mindset to beat Lesnar?

    As for the skillset, he has already beaten Brock using superior skill. You might say it was a rookie mistake, it might be. Saying he doesn't have the skillset is ignorant, it is there. Whether the skills are assisted by his increased strength training and are able to be used on Brock who can smother his opponents is going to be the determining factor.

    And I am not even a huge fan of Mir...
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    The guy reckons he doesn't even care about the belt anymore, he just cares about beating Brock. How can you say he doesn't have the mindset to beat Lesnar?
    Because he's too fucking stuck on it, that's why. Dude is officially getting into creepy obsessed territory.

    As for the skillset, he has already beaten Brock using superior skill. You might say it was a rookie mistake, it might be. Saying he doesn't have the skillset is ignorant, it is there. Whether the skills are assisted by his increased strength training and are able to be used on Brock who can smother his opponents is going to be the determining factor.
    Watch the first fight again. Lesnar has Mir on the ground within 15 seconds of the fight starting and is administering the same kind of schoolyard bully ass-beating that ended the second fight until he accidentally socked him in the back of the head, which mercifully gets them stood up. Fight gets restarted, Lesnar knocks him back down and continues the beating, until he just stands there and lets Mir put him in a kneebar. So yeah, I'm pretty comfortable chalking that up to rookie mistakes. And as I said, the second fight speaks for itself. So where has Mir demonstrated the necessary skills to beat someone who's a physical freak like Lesnar?

    For that matter, who has Mir ever faced who's got top control that's as stifling as Lesnar's that's convincing you he's got what it takes to counter it? Whether it's due to skill, size, or both, Lesnar can squash just about anybody. Mir is just not going to beat him off of his back, and his gameplan in the second fight looked pretty much like "get him in lockdown and hope he does something stupid again", which obviously didn't work out so well.

    I'm not trying to hate on Mir, but I just don't see where you think he's got the necessary skills to take out Lesnar.
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    If Anderson Silva gains 50 lbs. He has teh tech. for Lesner. Anybody else, good luck.
    Out of all these studs Nog could come the closest to beating a healthy Lesner. He has the skills, heart, and conditioning (post staph), to go but I dont know if age wouldnt tip it over hard. The loss to Mir screwed it up.
    I dont think Mir can come back against Lesner that easily. Mentally sure, but Lesner has his number and keeps getting better. Mir has gained weight, but it wont be enough.
    Dos Santos is tough but he is under Nog's, Mir's, and Carwin's skills. He's got the hammerhand though!

    Dos Santos/ Carwin or Mir/ Carwin should be next IMO.
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    I kind of thought the Mir v Lesnar 2 fight was a bad fight because it seemed obvious that Mir underestimated Lesnar or was just arrogant and overconfident. Maybe it was a bit of both.

    But Mir took himself down going for the same sub and Lesnar got out of it and got on top of Mir and just started pounding him. I'm not sure if Lesnar's ground and pound was really bad during their first fight. But Mir is sitting there putting his thumbs up during their second fight and didn't seem to put up any kind of defense or at least try to against Lesnar to stop him from pounding his face. It was like he didn't respect Lesnar's GnP. I thought this was pretty stupid. It just didn't seem like a good fight. It's been awhile since I've seen it but that's what I remembered about it.

    I guess it wasn't as bad as Mir vs Nog. I knew Nog was off, but I didn't realize how sick he was before the fight and he still fought. Now chances are we won't see a real fight with Nog and Mir and that fucking sucks because I keep wondering what would happen if those 2 fought in top condition. Maybe we'll see it in a year or 2 but that's a long ways away.
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    Mir has gained tons of Muscle, and he also sounds like a maniac now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukyomi View Post
    Mir has gained tons of Muscle, and he also sounds like a maniac now




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    Roids *cough*
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    Nog will be the next champ. Why? Because I'll ride his nuts until the end of time. But on another not I must say, any sympathy I had for Lesnar was quickly and utterly washed away after reading some of his recent interviews. I can't wait until Nog triangles that ass.
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    Reviewing Mir's submission record, the only sub of note on there that I see is Roberto Travern. Other than that, the only submissions he's gotten have been against people with distinctly 0 ground game at the time. Antony Hardonk, Tim Silvia, Chesty Congo, and Pete Williams. So basically, his Jiu-Jitsu only works against fighters who are smaller or less skilled than him. Sounds like good BJJ to me.
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    Here's the article i pulled on Lesnar..
    One more reason for me to dislike the guy..criticizing Canadian health care? Jealousy will get you nowhere - get ready to shell out the big bucks to 'get better' Brock.
    I hope Mir kicks his ass this time.
    From MSN NEWS

    Champ Lesnar set to return from serious illness

    Brock Lesnar is ready to resume training to defend his UFC heavyweight title after a serious intestinal problem derailed his career and endangered his life.

    Lesnar hasn't been in the octagon since UFC 100 last July, when he beat Frank Mir in the biggest event in mixed martial arts history. He struggled through several months of pain and confusion with an illness eventually diagnosed as diverticulitis.

    UFC president Dana White expects Lesnar to return this summer, likely fighting the winner of Mir's March 27 bout against Shane Carwin in Newark, N.J.

    "Everybody has got life-changing experiences, and this is one of them for me," Lesnar said in a phone interview Wednesday. "I believe things happen for a reason. It gave me a different perspective on life and my family. I considered myself a healthy human being, and for something like this to happen to me, I need to re-evaluate. I have to make some changes."

    After just four fights over less than two years with UFC, Lesnar is considered the league's top pay-per-view draw. The former NCAA wrestling champion and WWE professional wrestler is thrilled to resume his MMA career after thinking he might be forced to retire by major abdominal surgery.

    "The heavyweight division should be back on their toes again," Lesnar said.

    He spent several months struggling with diverticulitis, a swelling of pouches in the intestinal wall. Lesnar said he had abscesses in his intestines that became infected -- and he also apparently tested positive last fall for mononucleosis, which might have delayed getting the proper diagnosis of his intestinal woes.

    Lesnar withdrew from his scheduled fight against Carwin at UFC 106 last November, but didn't yet know why he was exhausted and losing weight. Although Lesnar is vague about the dates and locations of his health woes' progression, he lost 40 pounds and eventually had a major scare while at a hunting lodge in Canada, when he became delirious and passed out from pain while at least three hours from medical treatment.

    After a stint in a Canadian hospital that left him criticizing the entire Canadian medical system and railing against U.S. health reform Wednesday, he returned to North Dakota and was diagnosed with diverticulitis after a trip to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota. But after originally being told he would need surgery, a colonoscopy on Jan. 5 revealed the problems apparently had healed with the help of antibiotics.

    "The Mayo Clinic said, 'You've got a winning lottery ticket,"' Lesnar said.

    White said Lesnar will return in the summer, giving a boost to the ever-growing company after a series of injury postponements and cancellations over the past several months. If an injury prevents the winner of Mir's bout with Carwin from being ready, Lesnar is likely to fight the winner of a Feb. 21 bout in Australia between Cain Velasquez and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.

    Lesnar has altered his diet, moving away from an "all-protein" approach befitting his weightlifting program and adding more fiber and greens. He'll return to his gym for training on Thursday morning after raising his weight from a low of 248 -- which he hadn't weighed "since second grade" -- to 273.

    "I think it's raised my conditioning level, because I was really at the bottom," Lesnar said. "Now I'm back in the gym, and I feel great. I feel like my old self again."
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