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    Mid-America San Shou League (MASSL)

    A San Shou promotion has opened its doors in the US, however this promotion is unique. The MASSL is an amateur league with its rules based on the International San Shou rules. However, the MASSL rules added the use of knee strikes to the trunk and thighs and require mandatory techniques per second, the techniques are five kicks, knee strike attempts, two sweeps or takedown attempts.

    This idea of this rule set was decided by founders Ray Hildreth, a Hung Gar master and Greg Butler, a Northern style master who felt that the "ground and pound" was too brutal and that fights that go to the mat become too slow and boring.

    According to Hildreth's site, adults from the age of 18 yrs and up and Juniors 15 - 17 yrs are allowed. This will require written permission from a parent or guardian.

    http://tulsakungfu.com/san-shou.php

    Here's a video of their April event:

    YouTube- Show Me State San Shou Championships 09' Highlights

    Nice to see San Shou getting more exposure among American combat sport enthusiasts.
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    Wait, did I read that video right? Yes I did! Show-me State is Missouri! I had no idea that tere was san shou in my state. I might give them a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elemental Fist View Post
    require mandatory techniques per second, the techniques are five kicks, knee strike attempts, two sweeps or takedown attempts.
    This has to be a typo, because not even the best athletes in the world could possibly keep up that sort of pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Guess View Post
    This has to be a typo, because not even the best athletes in the world could possibly keep up that sort of pace.
    Oh, yeah?

    FOOM! F-F-F-F-F-F-FOOM! FOOM!

    Better have the medics take a look at that, pal.

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    If I'm reading this correctly, these rules are ever so slightly insane:

    "Matches: Amateur bouts are Single Elimination. The winner will be decided by the best of three 2-minute rounds w/1-minute rest periods. Other ways for a winner to be declared is by a Knock Out, Technical Knock Out, Forfeiture, Absolute Victory or Disqualification. Initial Matches will be arranged by the Chief Referee with consideration given to the competitor’s experience level and Club affiliation. Subsequent Matches will be determined by the Flow Chart. The following are instances where a match may be called before the expiration of the scheduled time limits:"


    "The following weight classes will be used: Weight classes may be combined due to lack of opponents in a given weight class, with permission of the lighter weight fighter and his/her coach.

    Featherweight: under 150 lbs
    Lightweight: 150 - 169 lbs
    Middleweight: 170 - 199 lbs
    Heavyweight: 200 - 224 lbs
    Super Heavyweight: 225 lbs & up"

    I kind of understand the wide weight classes given that San Shou is a little obscure and their league is just starting, so they probably don't have all that many competitors. But doing a full contact striking match with against someone with a potential 20 lb weight advantage still seems a little bit... yeah.

    But then there's that tournament format +3x2minute rounds. That adds up to, if I'm not mistaken, a potential ****-ton of getting punched in the head with 12 oz. gloves for an amateur competition.
    Then again, I'm pretty new to this whole striking business, so maybe my worries are unwarranted.

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    Amateur MT and KB are 3x2.

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    Props to those guys for fighting, but man do they need to Work on their boxing.

    So these guys added knees to san shou? LOL. They invented amateur San Da!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Amateur MT and KB are 3x2.
    Yeah, but if I'm not mistaken, tournament-format events are pretty rare. So it's usually one 3x2 minute fight in an evening, not 3+.

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    Cool idea and step in a good direction, but lets get some clarification on what the minimum techniques per second thing is. Sounds dumb.
    I would love to do a striking tournament though, so cool idea and good job on them holding it.

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    Oh my god they are just...so terrible.

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