UFC Fight Night - Gray Maynard vs Nate Diaz. Jan. 11, 2010

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 1/21/2010 2:44pm

Originally Posted by Beatdown Richie

The Diaz brother's boxing style may usually be unorthodox but effective - but I didn't see much of it in the Maynard fight, which was just horrible. And boring. Both of these guys would be slaughtered so bad by B.J., it wouldn't even be funny.

I try to focus on Nick, Nate's the poor man's version.

**Einstein McFly** · Posted On: 1/21/2010 3:12pm

Originally Posted by mmafan3450

Watch the video posted above from 3:10-3:30 during the second round where nick can't land a punch on a winded, injured, next to motionless Frank Shamrock. Aside from that, Frank out boxed Nick for the first round. Nick threw way more punches and Frank landed a higher %. The only reason Nick won that fight is because Frank was out of shape and got winded. Shamrock is clearly the better boxer.
As for Diaz/ Smith...Smith decided to use his forhead as a range finder so he could land the KO punch on Diaz. Smith was doing absolutely nothing to avoid those ten punch combos and somehow Diaz still managed not to connect with most of them, which is his specialty. Watch the Gomi fight where Gomi slowly walks backwards with his hands at his side and Diaz still can't connect.

Saying Diaz's boxing has only one real legitimate criticism is ridiculous. That would make Diaz the best boxer on the planet. How about the fact that he throws his jab from a fully extended arm or that he stands with his arms spread wide apart. If he ever meets an MMA fighter who knows how to throw straight punches instead of this looping bull **** that we see, he will get torn up. Scott Smith started to use this against him and then for some reason decided it was working too well and abandoned it.

If you want to say Nick is a decent boxer for an MMA fighter, I'll give you that. But if he would ever get matched up against even a low level pro boxer he would get owned.

Come on. He's never fought anyone who can throw a decent straight punch? With all the boxers he spars with in training, he gets totally owned every second of every round with them? The Diaz brothers technique wouldn't work if they were built differently, but unless someone has pretty good head movement, pretty good and quick feet and quick hands (like KJ Noons, for instance) then the Diaz brothers can make it work. It's not pretty and doesn't look terribly technical, but to say that "all it takes to tear them up is someone who can throw simple straight punches" is asinine.

**Kintanon** · Posted On: 1/21/2010 3:18pm

Also, they both have cardio that rightfully belongs to people from another planet. So they can throw 12038912071239478 punches and have only 1500 of them land and not care. It's also a lot harder to punch someone who constantly has their long ass gorilla arms stuck in your face.
The Diaz bros have ugly, functional, effective boxing.

**mmafan3450** · Posted On: 1/21/2010 8:00pm

"Ugly, Functional, Non-technical" boxing will ALWAYS equal ineffective boxing against a technical boxer. The only time ugly, functional, non technical boxers are effective is when they are going against other non technical boxers. This is precisely why guys like the Diaz brothers with their "ugly" boxing will never be able to match up against the top MMA fighters like BJ Penn, GSP and Silva. They don't have the technical striking skills to back up their ground game. If either of the Diaz's were able to take their striking skills to the next level, they would move to the next level of competition.

Would any of you even be trying to make this argument if we were talking about BJJ. "Boy, that non technical BJJ sure is effective at serving its purpose." This sounds ridiculous

**Sang** · Posted On: 1/21/2010 8:14pm

Unfortunately Fedor completely contradicts your theory.

**Cybren** · Posted On: 1/21/2010 8:23pm

Originally Posted by mmafan3450

Would any of you even be trying to make this argument if we were talking about BJJ. "Boy, that non technical BJJ sure is effective at serving its purpose." This sounds ridiculous

yeah, if on the ground someone who isn't technical still hits submissions, people would say it's effective.

But it's easier to get a knockout on someone 'better' than you than it is to get a submission.

**marcusdbrutus** · Posted On: 1/21/2010 8:35pm

Originally Posted by Cybren

But it's easier to get a knockout on someone 'better' than you than it is to get a submission.

Hahahahaha.

**ryukensho** · Posted On: 1/21/2010 11:44pm

Nate is gonna get ragdoll at WW

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 1/22/2010 4:28am

Originally Posted by Sang

Unfortunately Fedor completely contradicts your theory.

Depends what you mean by 'technical'. Fedor has a very well practised, deliberately executed technique for striking that happens to look very little like what you'd learn from most boxing coaches.