Thread: Is Point Sparring Worthless?
12/30/2009 3:09am, #31
No Machida is more than super quick reflexes. He solved one of the issues with karate by using reaps and sweeps combined with sideways movements so when boxers and Muay thai strikers came in they ended up on their ass.
It's a lot of technique they haven't seen before and can't figure out. Because of that these guys stay back and are now fighting in a range they're not comfortable with which is more in line with where you find point fighters fighting at.
The only other person I think who does **** like this is Cung Le
12/30/2009 3:14am, #32
so what we have here is either
a) im doing a **** job of explaining
b) youre an idiot
c) youre being purposefully obtuse
either way i cant explain this in simpler terms, so ill leave it at that.
12/30/2009 3:17am, #33
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a) You have no point to explain
b) You are close-minded (MUAY THAI IS DA LIGHT!!!!!!1 )
c) You learned the art of talking **** without debating the thread on forums...
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12/30/2009 6:22am, #34
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I'd say that point sparring teaches good habits but also some bad habits.
I find that my sense of distance as well as evasive movements are superior to that of the savate or MT practitioners I now train with. I also use more feints than they do, as well as being faster though I believe these to be more my characteristics then characteristics received from point sparring. I had these advantages in point sparring as well.
On the other hand, there was one major bad habit I had to get out though. And that was backing off when I made a clean hit instead of continuing. Instead of pressing my advantage, I moved backwards.
12/30/2009 7:47am, #35
I never liked point sparring, but I can see the benefit. My TKD instructor was a point fighter and a kickboxer in the Early to Mid 80's and he still practises today, just no competing, and his timing is amazing. He and I spar using modified Sport JJ rules, and he tools me all day long, until I get in close. That is where point sparring fails, but as part of the puzzle like one of the other posters said, I can see it being helpful.
We do point sparring ion our TKD dojang, but it is run more like ITF sparring than point or WTF. Adult advanced belts ( 2nd gup or higher) spar continuous point, medium to full contact, with the only required gear is mouthpiece, cup, and hand and foot pads. The kids wear head gear, and do light tappy, tappy.
The yudansha who have been doing it for a while will do full contact ITF rules (throws and takedowns, no ground work and no punches to the face, head kicks allowed all day long and the 3 points of contact rule)I feel like you eye-bawlin' me, dawg!
12/30/2009 8:23am, #36
First, guys can we stop by calling it Machida Karate, since it doesn't excist. Machida fights Shotokan Karate under the Start-Stop Full-Contact rules (like every Shotokan Karateka in Japan) and not the semi-contact point-spar rules (like almost every Shotokan Karateka in Europe and the US).
Second, Karate works under the Start-Stop Full-Contact ruleset IF after the initial blow the Karateka switches to Knock-Down Knock-Out ruleset (aka Kyokushin, etc...)
See it as a tool to get closer to your opponent without just standing in front of him and trading blows, but once the first contact is made you will be forced to trade blows.Originally Posted by Jiujitsu77Originally Posted by HumanzeeOriginally Posted by jk55299 on Keysi Fighting Method
12/30/2009 8:28am, #37
12/30/2009 8:32am, #38I feel like you eye-bawlin' me, dawg!
12/30/2009 9:01am, #39
12/30/2009 9:26am, #40I feel like you eye-bawlin' me, dawg!