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  1. tap21 is offline

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    12/18/2009 3:11pm


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    I love this move. I also usually use it to go to the back. Some guys on the west coast call this the "Neto Roll" although I'm sure it has many names.

    I like all those calf attacks you showed. I will try those since I really like using the similar moves out the position the tenth planet guys call the truck.

    Thanks for posting this!
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    How do you take the back with this?
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    Posted On:
    12/19/2009 11:22am


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    Steve. Funny and informative.

    Question on the roll, I know you said to roll deeply underneath yourself to execute this. What happens when you roll too far?
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    you potentially kill your knee.
    Because your body isn't built like that.
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Chinese Boxing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian G.R. View Post
    How do you take the back with this?
    They will actually dictate that move. As you roll they will attempt to go with it so you end up rotating into them taking their back.
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    Ok, that makes sense. thank you.

    just be clear, he rolls along with you and that would put the guy on his belly and you in a really good position to capitalize on this, right?
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    12/19/2009 2:23pm

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     Style: Chinese Boxing

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    Yes, minor scramble.
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    haha, I love the new look!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian G.R. View Post
    How do you take the back with this?
    it's all about the angle, and there's a number of ways to do it. I use this type of roll specifically to take the back about 90% of the time. For example if you angle out at about 45 degrees and do the same roll with a little kick from the legs and twist of the hips at the peak of the roll you'll put yourself on the guys back from there if he doesn't resist; HOWEVER...

    ...From straight up half guard with the guy angled in at you properly you're not going to get the back; even if he's flat you don't really have enough control of his hips to safely predict his reaction time and get him into place, and you'll have a higher chance of losing out in the scramble, so I generally like to flatten them as much as possible and back-step for a kneebar(sitting on the hips), then chill.

    Now that I back-stepped for the kneebar I have all my weight on his hips controlling his hips and my arms are controlling his legs. this takes the risk out of the roll and allows you to put yourself right on his back. You can do a tight or fast version here. I'm speedy and scrambly so I generally use the fast version though I fully admit that the tight version is just plain better most of the time. Basically you're going to granby-roll off the side while controlling his legs, and use your legs to pull his body around the rest of the way as you secure your hooks. here's a video of Gui Mendes displaying the superior "tight" version of a variation on the technique I described:

    YouTube- Mendes Brothers: Half Guard to Back Mount Transition


    in case you didn't notice this is the same technique Eddie Bravo refers to as the "twister roll" since he uses it to secure the twister rather than the back... in hindsight I think taking the back is a superior option so I generally call it the "rolling back take".


    This is a technique I learned from watching Genki Sudo fights when I first started BJJ, and it's definitely a favorite technique of mine that I think is worth putting some time and effort into getting down.
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    The kneebar = sweetness!
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