12/15/2009 8:41pm, #11
I would hate for this turn out similar to Abu Ghraeb, where the higher ups give orders and ok certain tactics, but the ones who carry them out take the fall.
And now please don't go off on a OMG U SUPRT TERIZM rant. That is not the point.
12/15/2009 8:41pm, #12
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I suppose not getting a medal for commiting a war crime could hurt troop morale.Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.
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12/15/2009 8:43pm, #13
12/15/2009 8:45pm, #14
Even if Mr. Insurgent was, in reality, beaten within an inch of his life.
12/15/2009 8:47pm, #15
I don't think that to be the case, the one inch of his life part. Bloody lip was about the worst of it. Hopefully more info and public awareness will come of this.
12/15/2009 9:10pm, #16
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12/15/2009 9:19pm, #17
If these men accused took it upon themselves to administer punishment to the prisoner, then they deserve what's coming to them. However, I do not think this is the case. Here's why:
The punishments that can be handed out under a courts-martial are much more severe than punishments that can be handed out at non-judicial punishment (NJP or admiral's mast). The difference is that in a courts-martial, the prosecution has to actually prove their case to a jury, where at admiral's mast guilt or innocence is entirely up to the discretion of the admiral. This says to me that the accused feel that they are being shafted by their own command, for whatever reason, and that the evidence against then would fall apart under any kind of remotely impartial scrutiny.
It should be noted to those without military experience that while a courts-martial is more impartial than NJP, the deck is almost always stacked heavily in favor of the prosecution. Court-martials are expensive and time-consuming, and requesting courts-martial instead of NJP usually results in your command throwing the book at you and fucking you over as hard as they can for making them go through the trouble, and as deterrent against every dickhead private/seaman/airman requesting court-martial when he finally gets written up after being late for muster for the ump-teenth time. You have to be REAL sure of your position to look at your commanding officer and say "go ahead ************, courts-martial me."
12/15/2009 9:21pm, #18
I will wait for a credible source to relate:
1) whether the allegations are of violence during Abed's capture, or after he had already been subdued
2) further, whether it is alleged that an attempt was made to cover up said violence
3) what evidence there is to substantiate the above allegations
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12/15/2009 9:40pm, #19
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If this is really about a fat lip and that's not code for some sort of horrific curb stomping, then it's retard level 10.
12/15/2009 9:51pm, #20
Here's a Canadian source.
According to this, Ahmed Hasim Abed alleges that this happened after he was detained.
Re checking the Fox source,
Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, spokeswoman for the special operations component of U.S. Central Command, confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com that three SEALs have been charged in connection with the capture of a detainee. She said their court martial is scheduled for January.
United States Central Command declined to discuss the detainee, but a legal source told FoxNews.com that the detainee was turned over to Iraqi authorities, to whom he made the abuse complaints. He was then returned to American custody. The SEAL leader reported the charge up the chain of command, and an investigation ensued.