Thanks, I really appreciate knowing who im dealing with:) Im glad that you guys seem to want to protect people. There are a lot of unintegral things out there, and it is always good to know that people care.
Stop. Don't talk about things you obviously no zero about. Your entire paragraph is filled with fallacies.
Originally Posted by thunderbolt999
Hi thunderbolt999 I have some questions for you in reguards to sung baek. I was wondering if you could give us a lineage of grandmaster sung baek like who are his masters and there masters and so forth? Also you seem to talk alot of science i thought the jbni herbs worked on chi and such? What about the people online who have posted things about jbni's herbs that they haad adverse effects? I would also like to know is bob kim a student of grandmaster sung baek? How come whenever i google any of the organizations that sung baek owns i get very few hits and they all say the same thing?
Thanks for you time.
if you would like to meet the man in person, and try a lesson and find out all you would like, maybe you would be interested in attending a seminar. Thats really the best thing to do in my opinion, find out for your self, whoever it might be. If i want to know about a master, i usually just go and visit the school, and respectfully inquire about a lesson. That way, i know for my self. Are you interested in a lesson? Or, take a lesson from a student of the master, and see what their skill and ability is. I see a lot of people trying to authenticate or dis-authenticate people on this site, but what about the old fashion way, where you just go to someones school, and try a lesson? What good is it to even waste time talking about someone if you dont intend on trying a lesson or class? Anyways, i dont pay too much attention to this site, id rather take time to practice my skill then sit and bullshit with a bunch of coach patato bums who just want to talk a bunch of non-sense.
You ALL are better off taking the time to train, then trying to waste time on this web site.
GO PRACTICE!!!!! go burn some calories!!!!!
Tao salt, dude. Tao salt.
Originally Posted by thunderbolt999
Okay, idiot, for starters a majority of fakes use the whole, "why not come and train with me to find out if I'm real or not" excuse. Thats how they are able to weed out the weak minded or uneducated for indoctrination, such as yourself.
Next, I'd like to address your pathetic attempts at snidely insulting bullshido. NEWSFLASH: We've heard it all before. Although, I admit it is the first time I think any of us have ever been referred to as a "coach patato bum". Whatever sport patato bum is, I have never even played it, let alone coached it. Anyone else on here?
You are like thousands of koolaid drinking wankerchiefs who mean little to this site because YOU BRING NOTHING OF IMPORTANCE. You have no evidence, you insult the members of a CONSUMER ADVOCACY site that merely attempts to educate and inform those who seek education and information by telling them that their methods, proven repeatedly to be effective in exposing frauds and securing credibility for legitimate martial artists, don't work on your lover, sorry, teacher, because he is teh real deadly and you also seem to be preoccupied with critisizing training habits you have no way of knowing.
Do you understand this? We don't care if you want to go practice your patty cake with your lover, underhandedly call us overweight and flippantly tell us you don't pay much attention to us anyway, because, guess what, we don't pay any meaningful attention to you.
Come back with evidence and a better attitude and things might change.
Case dismissed. You are an idiot.
Ya know I will admit for the past year and a half I have gone down hill and gained weight and need to get back in training. I can give you the myriad of reasons why I have gained the weight and have not been able to train properly(sleep apnea and work schedule being the most prominent) are these good enough reasons for this I tought so but no they are not so now I am slowly getting back into the grind and joining a martial arts class with real alive training so that i can get back to the quality of life I previously enjoyed but there is no amount of chi or internal martial art that is going to help me attain that so yes I am probably a present day couch potato but my experience speaks volumes and I have a notable amount of that. I have practiced Okinawan Kenpo, Tae Kwon Do, and Jeet Kune Do over the years sparred with a regional champ for the Toughman contest with the ISKA rule set to help him prepare for his fights. There are alot more impressive resumes on this site that make mine look like I have no knowledge at all about any martial art so maybe you should pay a bit more attention to this website because ther are many knowledgeable and accomplished martial artist including a gentleman who knows Chuck Liddel personally and trained with him.
For the grammar police sorry about run on sentences and no paragraph breaks just got on a roll and had to say my peace.
And Thunderbolt this is probably the most I have said in one post ever so maybe pay attention to what I have told you and take it to heart.
OK...I deeply and authentically appreciate your authenticity. This is getting to the true heart of things and will guide you to remembering your true divine nature. there is no true happiness without physical well being. If you are constantly in pain, or unhappy in your body, it is extremely hard to be happy in general. All humans really want to be happy, joyful and feel good.
I am honored that you would actually take the time and energy to open up to me...a complete stranger...so, with respect, i will give you whatever advice i can.
DONT train yourself like chuck Liddel!!! the guy is a great fighter and hits really hard, but he is not going to have the type of mobility that a correctly trained martial artist will have, especially in their 60s. Only certain people are capible of training liek him, and for some it is ok, for others maybe not.
There is the true value in correct training. I have looked at thousands of videos, photos, and searched all kinds of methodology. The most impressive i have ever seen are Instructors at Oom Yung Doe. to see someone who is 60 years old, jump 6 to 8 feet in the air and spin and kick and land liek a cat is absolutely unbelievable.
This is an example of true martial arts...you shoudl always get better in condition and not train in ways that will lead to a loss of mobility later in life.
MMA will get you in shape, but there are gaps. I hope that MMA guys seek out peopel like Jerry Barfield and Chan Yong Fa, Li Jin Heung, GM Baek and the other grate masters and promote long-term development.
There are some really good masters out there that are getting older and still are able to demonstrate extreme capabilites and have radiant health.
Find those guys. It doesnt matter how badd-ass a fighter is in his 20s or 30's...check out the guys in their 50's, 60,s and 70,s that are still out doing the young guys.
Promote what they are doing. help the world preserve the true methods of mind-body-spirit.
Chan Family Choy Le Fut is VERY good. look at www.clfsandiego.com Oom Yung Doe is extremely good despite any nay-sayers out there. Thomas Furr is quite possibly one of the scarriest, most badd-ass martial artists i have ever met. If you want to train well, and are on the west coast...go to that guy...Ive cross trained with a lot of people, he is by far one of the best in USA.
It is very hard to find the true teaching. I have looked far and wide. I have trained with many styles and interviewed a lot of teachers.
I can point out a few who are clearly able to demonstrate the correct path. the proof is always in the pudding. find the guys who are getting older, and can still perform.
I completely understand what is it like to get off of your schedule and out of shape...its ok, you cant be too hard on your self.
But you have to start somewhere. Find somthing that motivates you.
As far as Chuck Liddel is concerned...i wouldnt want to get hit by the guy, but i do not consider him a martial artist. a fighter, yes. a martial artist, no.
If Chuck Liddel busted out some Northern Mantis, or some Nan Quan or some Drunken fist, or any other style, he is a martial artist.
MMA fighters grapple, punch, kick, and box, but i have yet to see traditional training in in any traditional style.
I am not putting down MMA, dont get me wrong, i just think it is still in its infancy.
I would love MMA if i got to see guys use real kung fu styles.
MMA workouts are extremely intense, and i think they are wonderful for buring calories and conditioning and strength...but they need to be balanced, otherwise the tendon and ligamt gets neglected...
They have gaps. I have thought about potentially creating a training protocol that would fill in the gaps so that these guys who are so passionate about what they do, are less likely to develop imbalances later in life.
Typically, ankles and knees and hips are under trained, weak, and points of potential disaster for MMA guys.
The tendon and ligament around the knee and ankle is hard to know what to do, unless you really know how.
Even many of the traditional martial arts ive seen, like Wushu, get ankle and knee injuries.
What good is your car, if you have a flat tire? if you have a bad ankle or knee, you cant do anything, right?
so...there are lots of gaps. Maybe, through your site, and with the broad reach that you have, we can pool knoledge, and share it, so that other people like us, who are passionate and love martial arts, can share tips and bennefit from understanding a few things here and there, and we can all improve together.
It would be worthwhile for me, to share what i know to a large audiance, if i know that i am helping people prevent injury, and continue to improve their lives.
I commend you for being a consumer advocacy group and looking out for peoples well being.
How can people liek us also help to share and pool knoledge that can be used to help?
I could give a **** how tough chuck liddel is...if some one gave the guy a tip that he was able to use in his work out, and it allowed him to be in less pain in 20 years when he wants to play with his grand kids...i guantee he would love it.
So...why not take your far reach, and collaborate with people so that there can be an information share that would be preventative maintenance for MMA and martial arts practitioners.
Come up with a forum or something taht is specifically designed to help people know how to spot incorrect things, and improve on other things.
I would be happy to help in any way that i can. i know some good techniques for strengthening the joints to avoid sprains and twists, and i have methods for healing injuries as well.
I would rather spend my time trying to help and share, then being defensive of someones style or have some ego battle over something silly.
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