Grand master sung baek for real? some questions?

**mewtwo** · Posted On: 12/05/2009 10:16pm

So I was wondering if anyone had any info on Grand Master sung Baek? I recently searched him and one of his websites linked me to Wan Qi's AKA Bob kim's site. Just wondering what the concensus on him was?

Thanks

**mewtwo** · Posted On: 12/06/2009 9:38pm

Anyone know anything about this person?

***battlefields*** · Posted On: 12/06/2009 10:43pm

Give us more info and I might, I said might, look further into it. What is he a grandmaster of? Origami?

Give us links dammit!

**mewtwo** · Posted On: 12/06/2009 11:24pm

http://usksf.org/?page_id=93

http://www.doyi.org/

**CrackFox** · Posted On: 12/07/2009 3:19am

I'd like to know what consensus we reached on this guy as well. As far as I remember his kendo is legit, he sells bullshit herbal remedies, publishes the odd paper in un-recognised journals and whenever he gets called on making unjustified claims, he just dismisses it as Bob getting carried away with his marketing.

I'm not sure what the story with the doyi thing was though.

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**NeilG** · Posted On: 12/07/2009 5:25pm

Originally Posted by CrackFox

As far as I remember his kendo is legit

If it's legit, it's not affiliated with AUSKF kendo. His club is Lynwood Kendo Club, not listed with AUSKF or the regional federations PNKF or CCKF.

**CrackFox** · Posted On: 12/07/2009 5:39pm

Originally Posted by NeilG

If it's legit, it's not affiliated with AUSKF kendo. His club is Lynwood Kendo Club, not listed with AUSKF or the regional federations PNKF or CCKF.

Ok thanks for the info. I was totally going off memory.

I remember that Bob Kim had a video of the Lynwood club training, and it looked nothing like anything I'd seen in my time in kendo (about one college year). It had a bunch of beginners wailing on each other, not going for any of the standard targets/cuts. I think it's gone now though.

EDIT: The USKSF site says he's an advisor to the American Kendo Federation. Is that a real organisation?

**mewtwo** · Posted On: 12/07/2009 7:26pm

http://vimeo.com/7047479

That is a new vid of the lynwood kendo club at least i think it is that kendo club.

**mewtwo** · Posted On: 12/07/2009 9:12pm

No none what so ever I just want to find out if this guy is for real grandmaster sung baek that is.

**NeilG** · Posted On: 12/08/2009 12:13am

Originally Posted by CrackFox

EDIT: The USKSF site says he's an advisor to the American Kendo Federation. Is that a real organisation?

I have no idea. It may be a real organization but in the kendo world it would be unrecognized. Unlike other martial arts, there is typically only one national federation per country. In the US, there is the All-US Kendo Federation, AUSKF. For historical reasons Hawaii is separate. There are no other organizations recognized by FIK. In the US to be FIK affiliated, you have to be part of the regional federation (PNKF in this case), which in turn gets you the national association, which buys you the international association. My sources tell me these guys are not part of that chain. So they would not be able to compete with the other clubs, nor would any rank granted be recognized.

Originally Posted by mewtwo

http://vimeo.com/7047479

That is a new vid of the lynwood kendo club at least i think it is that kendo club.

Some of what is shown is fairly conventional kendo, although not particularly good kendo. Other stuff is flashy BS added on top.