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    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    Not to whore T-nation, but Surge and Surge Workout Fuel work.
    You're overpaying for the hydrolyzed whey and carbs, for the record.

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    the idea is to take fast acting carbs 20 - 30 minutes before working out to get the insulin spike during the session, then replenishing carbs throughout. Doing this supposedly then elimitates the need to take carbs post workout.
    An insulin spike during the workout? That sounds like the last thing you'd want, unless you're planning to take a nap between sets.

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    Hmm, interesting, i will read all of that.
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    Amazon.com: Advanced Sports Nutrition (9780736059411): Dan Benardot: Books
    Sustaining carbohydrate sufficiency is problematic because, unlike either protein or fat, humans have a limited storage capacity for carbohydrate.
    This is disingenuous. Sure, humans can store tremendous amounts of fat, but how exactly do they "store" protein? In the digestive tract, in the bloodstream (not for very long), and... as muscle tissue? Saying that bulking up with muscle is easier than building glycogen storage is... silly.

    Although all substrates are important, delivering the right amount of carbohydrate at the right time optimizes the limited carbohydrate stares, ensures better carbohydrate delivery to the brain, and improves endurance performance.
    The "right time" is probably not immediately before a workout.

    By comparison, the common focus on excess protein consumption does little to enhance performance or a sense of well-being.
    Unless, you know, running a positive nitrogen balance is something you want.

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    While my sources may differ from yours, all i will reject is the "bald faced lie", that would involve deliberate deception.
    You would be surprised what elite athletes actually do.
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    Nah, I'm paying market rate or there about for hydrolysed whey that tastes good in water, rather than absolute bitter nasty ****, in a convenient combination with the right sugars in the right amounts. The workout fuel product is something a bit different.

    Insulin spike during workout isn't really that crazy. Not sure if it works, but it's not inherently nutty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    Nah, I'm paying market rate or there about for hydrolysed whey that tastes good in water, rather than absolute bitter nasty ****, in a convenient combination with the right sugars in the right amounts. The workout fuel product is something a bit different.
    1) I took taste into account when I ran the numbers (HWP-Ultra Grade from TrueProtein). In practical terms, I'm not convinced that 100% hydrolyzed is necessary - straight-up whey protein absorbs pretty quickly to begin with.
    2) That "the right sugars" part is marketing, that's all. The optimum sugar is dextrose, which happens to cost less than three bucks a pound. Other refined, fiber-free carbohydrates will have a lower peak, but it's a difference of degree, not type.

    Incidentally, have I mentioned how dumb it is to have fiber in a fast shake?

    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    Insulin spike during workout isn't really that crazy. Not sure if it works, but it's not inherently nutty.
    With the spike, you're trying to exploit a differential - your muscle fibers should be more sensitive to insulin than your fat cells. The problem with pre-workout carbs is that you haven't created the differential yet.
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    An insulin spike during the workout? That sounds like the last thing you'd want, unless you're planning to take a nap between sets.
    Of course, I could be wrong...
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    Interesting. So their may be something in this then. May have to give it a go after Christmas...
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    Interesting. So their may be something in this then. May have to give it a go after Christmas...
    I would have liked to see a comparison of protein before, protein + carbs after with protein + carbs before and after, but I'll take what I can get.
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    Protein shortly before, protein immediatly after. I like to replenish my electrolytes and what not with a cheeky sports drink, seems to perk me up directly after heavy weights.

    Maybe creatine before, but not always.

    I was always told to be really careful with post workout meals. I generaly try to wait at least an hour post workout before I refuel with solids. Generally for me its a mix between protein and carbs.
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    I was always told to be really careful with post workout meals. I generaly try to wait at least an hour post workout before I refuel with solids. Generally for me its a mix between protein and carbs.
    Why? Do you have trouble keeping them down?
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    I would have liked to see a comparison of protein before, protein + carbs after with protein + carbs before and after, but I'll take what I can get.
    I can give you a personal view on this as I've done, nothing, protein before, and protein before + carbs and protein after. So when I do protein + carbs before and after I'll give you my views.
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    Why? Do you have trouble keeping them down?

    Yes.

    Sometimes I am unable to take solids for over an hour post workout, usually after a big weight session.
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