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  1. Holy Moment is online now
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    Mr. Utah's Black Belt Mag letter

    Remember Mr. Utah 1992 who fought Pedro Sauer in that underground challenge match? Well, after perusing the BB mag archives, I managed to dig up a letter he wrote to the editor. It starts at "Unbeatable System is Beatable":

    http://books.google.com/books?id=7c8...age&q=&f=false

    Basically, he says that he won the match because Sauer's students stopped the fight. In case you've never seen the fight, here's the vid:

    YouTube- Pedro Sauer vs. Mr. Utah Fight

    Incidentally, there's someone on the Sherdog directory who has the same name as Mr. Utah. They're missing a T in the last name, but it could be him because sometimes Sherdog screws up the names of low-tier fighters:

    http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lance-Bachelor-10462
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    Looks to me like he got out of the arm bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindz View Post
    Looks to me like he got out of the arm bar.
    Really? It looked like he had it sunk in, but the video quality is bad so I'm not 100% sure.
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    It's definitely on, then it's definitely off. Can't really see how it got from a to b
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    I see it the way Utah did. If a person doesn't know any better you've got to go for the full arm extension. Utah probably didn't even know he was in any real danger. Sauer should've hyper extended it.
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    I remember seeing this a while back and thinking the fight only ended because people jumped in

    Mr Utah looked like he wanted to continue and wasnt going to give up yet, this could be because he didn't know what was going to happen and the guy didnt want to break his arm.

    The arm bar wasnt on properly or long enough/Mr Utah escaped

    The armv bar was on and Mr Utah didnt give a **** similar to Tim Syliva when his arm broke but wanted to keep on fighting
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    From his letter: "Suddenly, one of Sauer's students jumped in and claimed the fight was over. The man insisted that I had been in danger of having my arm broken, when in fact I had twisted Sauer completely around and was in no danger of having my arm broken,"

    To me that states the obvious. He really was oblivious to the danger. Omega has a point. This karateka had no disillusions about how the fight went. YouTube- Jiu Jitsu vs. Karate
    Curiosity killed the cat. But damn it had a blast.
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    Early stoppage, imo. Sauer definitely would had the armbar at one point, but it is impossible to tell what happened right at the end in the video. Should have continued until tap, KO or corner stopped it, per the rules.
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    So I guess I was the only one who felt that the armbar was not really in.
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