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  1. Lord Skeletor is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_malk View Post
    OMG The should be shot and quartered. Every one knows the Instructors must be paid with either dr. bombay, Mr jack, Mr Johny, presented a crown or other such things.(that iss Bombay saphire, Jack Daniels, Johny Walker black label or or better, or Crown Royal for those who don't know ) Or instructers choice if he like some wierd stuff.

    So i say burn the heretics. And feed your intrcutors right, they are just like 1911's you feed them crap and they don't function at there peak.

    I think that eventually, they'll come up with something decent...they made a point of telling me how they went "the extra mile" to get this stuff for me...and just before they left, they handed me a box, jumped in their rental car, and "peaced out"---lol

    I got inside and I was treated to the finest malt liquor that 7-11 probably could provide. And it was such rot-gut **** that most winos I know wouldn't have messed with it. They called a few minutes down the road (conveniently out of rifle range) and got a big laugh out of it. I promised swift voodoo revenge upon both of them, and their mothers!!

    Aout a year later, I helped another buddy get ready for a PSD job overseas...and he pulled a similar one one me; (Yeah, I'll get you some 5.56 or 50BMG ammo, or a couple of EoTechs or something)...two difference times for a week each (I took vacation for that bastard!) same results: Forgotten and abused. lol Now...I don't even give a **** anymore. Expect nothing...and you're never let down. :5sonar:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Skeletor View Post
    Everything is very much legal here. Like I said...depending on who wants to come, available gear/weaponry, and how many people show up, I can tailor what you guys want to learn around your physical capabilities and equipment available (ie, what guns/gear you have). I'm carrying about 16 different instructor disciplines right now and can pretty much handle:

    Handgun 1-3
    Carbine 1-3
    Shotgun 1-3
    Subgun/Select Fire Weapons
    Precision Rifle/Sniper 1-3
    Close Quarters Battle (Basic & Advanced Building Searches/Room Clearing)
    Low Light Survival (Flashlight/NVG/Night Fighting Techniques)
    Exec Protection/Personal Security Details (Counter-Ambush/Protection Details, Vehicle Assaults, Principle Protection, Defensive/Evasive Driving, etc)
    Defensive Tactics (Stick/Knife attacks & defense, jiu-jitsu, etc.)
    Small Unit Tactics/Actions (Assaults, Ambushes/Counter-Ambush, etc.)

    We can set something like this up for May or June or something....that will allow the more financially challenged among us to save some gas/hotel money up or something. At any rate...it's up to you guys if you want to make something like this happen. If there's any police/military instructors who want to help out, please...feel free to PM me and we can coordinate something.
    2 More questions come to mind:

    1. You mentioned unloading weapons to travel, but would I have to buy ammo in VA or would I be able to pack up some boxes to bring?

    2. Do you have to be 21 for handgun ownership in VA? The age is 18 here, and I'll be 21 in September. Also, does federal law regulate the age you must be to fly with a weapon?
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaohu View Post
    2 More questions come to mind:

    1. You mentioned unloading weapons to travel, but would I have to buy ammo in VA or would I be able to pack up some boxes to bring?

    2. Do you have to be 21 for handgun ownership in VA? The age is 18 here, and I'll be 21 in September. Also, does federal law regulate the age you must be to fly with a weapon?

    First of all...you can bring your own ammo with you. Secondly, you have to be 21 years old to purchase a handgun, not necessarily possess one.
    Check the law out:
    http://law.justia.com/virginia/codes...8.2-308.7.html

    To fly with them, they cannot be on carry-on luggage and must be in a lockable case (with padlock). You might have to notify the airline prior to boarding/bringing weapons. I'm not sure.
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    I am no expert on guns and **** but I've been flying quite a bit and I am sure you are not allowed to take ammunition on a flight...
    Just saying.
    Sometimes you lose and sometimes the other guy wins.

    At this point I don't owe anybody an explenation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xmas in Shorts View Post
    I am no expert on guns and **** but I've been flying quite a bit and I am sure you are not allowed to take ammunition on a flight...
    Just saying.
    Come to think of it, I know for a fact my Uncle has brought both weapons and ammunition into Phoenix when he visited in the past, and on more than one occasion. I should ask him how he went about it. I know it was flown in and not bought because he brings a G36 with old Black Talon ammo every time.
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    as for flying as i have done this you must notify the airline when you arrive at the counter when checking in. you must then fill out a form and the clerk will make sure you are not transporting a loaded firearm. then you have to be escorted by a TSA agent to the ex-ray scanner where u have to stand by while they run your bags and weapons thru the machine. The fire arm must be in a locked case with padlocks. the ammunition must be in a separate container with a pad lock. So if your transporting ammo make sure your ammo cans can be pad locked.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Oh you are talking domestic flights, this might be different from international... my bad but still I'm sure you should check with the airline in advance.
    Sometimes you lose and sometimes the other guy wins.

    At this point I don't owe anybody an explenation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaohu View Post
    Come to think of it, I know for a fact my Uncle has brought both weapons and ammunition into Phoenix when he visited in the past, and on more than one occasion. I should ask him how he went about it. I know it was flown in and not bought because he brings a G36 with old Black Talon ammo every time.
    He brought a what with what?
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    Posted On:
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    Probably a Glock 36 with Winchester "Black Talon" ammunition. A Glock 36 is a compact, single-stack .45 pistol--as compact as Glock .45's get, which isn't very.

    "Black Talon" sounds ominous but it's the same thing Winchester now sells as "Ranger SXT" ammunition. It's a pretty good hollow point that, because of the way it's scored to force expansion, tends to open up in the body in a way that leaves the ends of the peeled "petals" sharp and pointed. The press tried to say it would spin in the body like a buzzsaw, that it was a danger to emergency surgeons who would be sliced and diced by the deadly sharp bullet fragments, and that it would penetrate body armor designed for the caliber--in other words, that .45 acp Black Talon bullets would penetrate body armor rated for .45 acp. None of that is true. Rather than fight it, Winchester took the stuff off the market in a grandiose public gesture and put the Ranger SXT ("Ranger Same Exact Thing") back on the market quietly.


    If you're going to fly with guns and ammunition, just keep in mind that the different airlines have their own rules. The feds don't care as long as the firearm is declared, is unloaded, and is in checked luggage. Different airlines sometimes have odd little rules--when I last flew with a handgun, the airline said the ammunition had to be in factory containers. My MTM plastic hard cases are much better than most cardboard factory boxes, but I dug some out anyway because it's their show.

    Best advice is to check the airline's rules online beforehand, follow them to the letter, and then be prepared for airline employees and TSA goons to be completely ignorant of their own rules. In Norfolk, the TSA threw my bag with my as-yet-undeclared firearm in it on a conveyor to go through a scanner. I told the guy there was a firearm in the bag, and he replied that it would be no problem; it would set off the scanner and we'd pull it off and put the declaration with it. Only my steel SIG P220 pistol and 50 rounds of ammunition went unnoticed, and another goon tossed it through an opening into the back.
    I then spent, I kid you not, half an hour trying to convince Goon 1, Goon 2, and the Supervisor Goon to pull the thing back out and let me put my federally-mandated firearm declaration into the case. They insisted that it would be no big deal, because when I switched planes in Philadelphia just before midnight, my luggage would not be checked by security. So it wasn't like I could get into any trouble or anything, right? I asked whether they were going to vouch in writing that if I were caught with an undeclared handgun and ammunition in my luggage in Philadelphia at midnight, the TSA in Philly was to deal with the TSA in Norfolk and let me go on my way. I was adamant, and eventually the Supervisor said, "So . . . . would you like me to go back there and bring your bag back out, sir? Would that help?"
    "Yes." I told her. "Yes, I think that would help."
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    Posted On:
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    And before any smart-asses pipe up, yes I know the P220 has an aluminum frame. The rest is steel, and either way, it should have shown up.
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