Shamrock vs Gracie 2, something I'm not sure to understand...

**vashanka** · Posted On: 11/29/2009 5:21pm

Originally Posted by Shawarma

And straight BJJ is one of the wheels on the MMA-Mobile.

Quote for truth. That is sig line material right there.

**vashanka** · Posted On: 11/29/2009 6:31pm

Originally Posted by Osaka peach

I have a problem of feeling guilty to say no also,
I've been attracting the wrong type of guys

no amout of JKD, boxing or BJJ will be of any use regarding this I guess

X2 on the counselling. There are a large number of resources available, free of charge (at least in Ontario, in the socialist republik of Quebek there should be even more).
Sounds like you have been attracting the wrong crowd, and that applies to this site as well.
Incidentally, the best defence is not BJJ, it is confidence and situational awareness.

**Osaka peach** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 12:32pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Osaka get off the internet and go get help. This is another one of your threads that devolves into your fear of rape.

Running around thread to thread trying to find the best art, technique, style, teacher or thread to help you isn't going to work.

Go talk to a professional.

I talked to an older friend of mine who used to be a counsellor in a women's center, and according to her, to conclusion is that I have confidence issues and abusive men jump on that occasion to get what they want with manipulation. I don't really want to get back at them now, since they where still threading legal waters, so to speak... Only thing to do is to learn to say a big resounding NO.

oh well... :sad:

**Osaka peach** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 12:39pm

Originally Posted by Little Clown of Bethlehem

Sweet homo Jesus, this thread is a complete clusterfuck.

Osaka Peach, Frye and Goodridge were certainly powerful strikers. But their striking would look out of place against the strikers fighting today at the top levels. Abbott wasn't in their league back in the day, much less trying to be a top ten fighter today with his striking. And since you like superfights, I highly recommend UFC 9's Superfight (Ken Shamrock vs. Dan Severn) for an example of the great striking that was on display. Just don't bother if you don't want to watch two men literally circle each other with no attempt to strike or grapple for at least 15 minutes. Severn later stated that his strategy was to wait until the crowd started booing and got Shamrock riled up enough to do something hasty and make a mistake. It was illegal to throw punches with closed fists to the head in that event, a compromise which, along with a lack of headbutts, appeased the Detroit legal authorities enough to make them allow the UFC to go forward--at 4:30 in the afternoon on the day of the event. It was brutally lousy all around.

As for the vitally important issue of BJJ vs. rape, I've long been used to hearing how BJJ won't work against weapons, won't work against multiple attackers, won't work on pavement, won't work on hardwood kwoon/dojang/dojo floors, won't work on broken glass, won't work on lava, won't work on junkie syringes . . . . but I've never, ever heard the "BJJ won't work against your husband, boyfriend, or other acquaintances" argument.
Thank you all for showing me something new. I am off to commit seppuku with a whitetail antler.

First, I've heard about the dreaded Shamrock vs Severn fight, and I must point out that they where both pure grapplers, thus enphazising the pure grappler stalemate strategy even more.

Second, of course Abbot wasn't nearly conditioned enough, thus getting winded pretty fast. But the mere fact that he was a simple streetfighter that didn't care at all about martial arts and still had a fair amount of success in the UFC helped expose the silliness and delusions of many asian arts.

Finally, I think the issue about BJJ is that while it was a stroke of genius for the gracies to figure that by forcing a fight to the ground strikers would be helpless, I don't think getting the fight on the ground on purpose is a good strategy anywhere outside of a referred one on one dojo situation. A pretty good art to know in the case you go to the ground anyway, but getting there on purpose in a life threatening scenario is nonsense. :icon_eek:

**Nefron** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 12:55pm

Originally Posted by Osaka peach

A pretty good art to know in the case you go to the ground anyway, but getting there on purpose in a life threatening scenario is nonsense. :icon_eek:

That of course depends on the scenario.If I fight a lone attacker, and manage to get a hold of him, of course I'm going to throw him and choke him out.

**galois** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 1:18pm

Originally Posted by Nefron

That of course depends on the scenario.If I fight a lone attacker, and manage to get a hold of him, of course I'm going to throw him and choke him out.

A friend of mine was once randomly grabbed by a lone attacker in the middle of a field while walking home at night (he lives in the country). No knives were involved and as he describes it the fight was pretty much a clumsy crapple fest from the start. BJJ would have been pretty useful in that situation. Certainly better than falling into a pond and thrashing around till the other guy got bored and went away, which is how it actually panned out.

**n00b** · Posted On: 12/06/2009 7:34am

You know, it strikes me that if I were being assaulted, being able to stop a bigger stronger guy that's on top of me from seriously hurting me for TWENTY MINUTES seems like EXACTLY what I'd want to do, while trying to get someone's attention and help. This entire thing is based on the fact that the OP didn't notice what was happening in the fight.

And why does everybody assume that when the fight goes to the ground, grapplers are all landing on the bottom? I like to let the other guy be a nice soft cushion.

**Nefron** · Posted On: 12/06/2009 8:34am

Originally Posted by n00b

And why does everybody assume that when the fight goes to the ground, grapplers are all landing on the bottom? I like to let the other guy be a nice soft cushion.

Also, throws on hard surface will **** you up.