11/24/2009 7:46pm, #171
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I was ready to do in a moment whatever Socrates commanded: they may have escaped the observation of others, but I saw them. Now I fancied that he was seriously enamoured of my beauty, and I thought that I should therefore have a grand opportunity of hearing him tell what he knew, for I had a wonderful opinion of the attractions of my youth.
In the prosecution of this design, when I next went to him, I sent away the attendant who usually accompanied me (I will confess the whole truth, and beg you to listen; and if I speak falsely, do you, Socrates, expose the falsehood). Well, he and I were alone together, and I thought that when there was nobody with us, I should hear him speak the language which lovers use to their loves when they are by themselves, and I was delighted. Nothing of the sort; he conversed as usual, and spent the day with me and then went away.
Afterwards I challenged him to the palaestra; and he wrestled and closed with me several times when there was no one present; I fancied that I might succeed in this manner. Not a bit; I made no way with him.
Lastly, as I had failed hitherto, I thought that I must take stronger measures and attack him boldly, and, as I had begun, not give him up, but see how matters stood between him and me.
So I invited him to sup with me, just as if he were a fair youth, and I a designing lover. He was not easily persuaded to come; he did, however, after a while accept the invitation, and when he came the first time, he wanted to go away at once as soon as supper was over, and I had not the face to detain him.
11/24/2009 7:55pm, #172
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Sex will always have power games, from spanking to choking to even something as simple as who is on top. I feel like these games are only sexual though because both parties are willing participants. Anyone who thinks that gay men would intentionally go into a grappling class with the intent to gain sexual pleasure from an unwilling participant is basically accusing gays of rape. That being said, dumbasses who claim that the dominance aspect inherent in combat sports, and especially grappling, is erotic in nature are mistaking causation and correlation. Just because sex and grappling both have aspects of dominance and power play in them does not mean that they are related any further than that. I just think it is so funny that this is even a topic of discussion, nobody would spout this dumb **** about muay thai, and the power play is just as evident there
11/24/2009 8:03pm, #173
11/24/2009 8:04pm, #174
To anyone with doubts, this is real wrestling.
I fail to see anything homoerotic about this.
The Fine Sport of Wrastling - Clips - South Park Studios
What You Mean it Ain't Real? - Clips - South Park Studios
11/24/2009 8:44pm, #175
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11/24/2009 10:22pm, #176
Did you think I meant that doing yoga is done by gay men? It was not my intention and in context it would be very difficult to come to that conclusion. However, you are rivington.
I was saying, if I declared to a predominately female yoga class that I was straight, they would be right to question my motives for attending the class. A guy who feels the need to let everyone know his preferred sexual taste is for females would be a little creepy around women, aft clad in tights, doing poses that could be deemed sexual if one were so inclined. I would question the motives of someone who came to BJJ and declared they were gay because of the same reason.
If a gay guy came to class and it came to pass that I learnt of his sexual orientation through other means (other than an introductory declaration), or even if I never knew, it would not matter in the slightest. Even if he did get aroused, during or later, its his problem/ prerogative, not mine. If he started rubbing his dick on me in a sexual manner then there is a problem that would need addressing. But that would be equal to me dry humping a chick while she was attempting downward dog. I would be isolated very quickly.
When I do go to my yoga class I don't need to declare my sexuality, they know I am straight due to my fiancee being with me, so I am slightly exonerated when I crack a fat looking at all the hot chicks in tights, lol.
11/24/2009 10:28pm, #177
11/24/2009 10:34pm, #178
11/24/2009 11:55pm, #179
The brilliance in Rivington's point is that you might get laid.
And yes, grappling and sexytime have stuff in common, but so does playing tag and being chased by bears.
11/25/2009 12:11am, #180
No, I didn't think you meant that.
I was saying, if I declared to a predominately female yoga class that I was straight, they would be right to question my motives for attending the class.
Anyway, my point remains: go to a yoga class, say that you are straight, and come back here and report whether or not you are asked to leave. Don't change your argument midstream and pretend you were saying something you weren't—just put your money where your mouth is.
Here's my special supposition: you won't be asked to leave. People are very very used to straight men being straight and declaring themselves to be straight especially in situations where performing masculinity might be problematic. Groups of women especially often adapt to straight male behavior, even somewhat inappropriate behavior easily. (Not that saying, "I'm straight" is inappropriate—for the most part, people assume that the people they meet are straight, since most people are.)
Just don't change your argument again.