11/24/2009 6:08pm, #161
Because if you're just assuming they did sexy wrestling because they were gay and wrestled... You can probably see where I'm going with this.
11/24/2009 6:17pm, #162
My NSFW thoughts on the matter:
11/24/2009 6:31pm, #163
From the end of the video in the OP:
"Inherently, by nature, the domination struggle among men is, and always will be closely linked to our libidos; it's what makes us men."
I wish he'd actually address these things rather than just directing people at the movie. It'd be interesting to see where he's coming from.
11/24/2009 6:33pm, #164
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11/24/2009 6:54pm, #165
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This discussion reminds me of that thread I started four years ago, which gave me the chance to quote this:
Originally Posted by 'Articulate Flesh: Male Homo-Eroticism and Modern Poetry', Gregory Woods, (London; New Haven: Yale University Press, 1987), p72
11/24/2009 7:12pm, #166
Oh I was waiting for this to tryst into my little crevice of expertise. *pays the devil his due*
Erotic grappling exists, and it's not a little side fetish such as pony play or bathroom fetishes. It's a rather large one. It's even seen in TV ads. I know plenty of women (and men) who are turned on by watching two guys (or girls) go at it on the mat. I know a plethora of people who like being INVOLVED in erotic grappling. So while you, ignatzami, write this off as "fringe productions" and "they fit under the heading of if it exists, there is porn of it," the reality is it's more wide-spread than that. And the phrase "if it exists, there is porn of it," is true...but I think what you meant is that there's a fetish involving it.
All of that being said, those who participate in the above activities do so under the rules of time and place. They aren't going to try to rip down your shorts and peg you while at the gym.
11/24/2009 7:27pm, #167
The next thing they do is have dinner together, doesn't mean Plato thinks eating is all about man-love.
11/24/2009 7:40pm, #168
However, if you read a book in which a man asked a woman to a movie, it would not need be explained that it would be a date and for at least for one the parties an expression of romantic/sexual interest. (Indeed, if it were not a date, that would need explaining.)
Same with the Plato bit, which is only a singular example. Athletic settings were the place in ancient Greece for (generally) older men to approach (generally) younger men, and of course sometimes the opposite occurred as well.
Another quick example, from The Wasps: Though overladen with success and honours more than any of your poets, indeed despite all his glory, he does not yet believe he has attained his goal; his heart is not swollen with pride and he does not seek to seduce the young folk in the wrestling school.
That was Aristophanes writing about himself, and comparing himself (favorably) to the common celebrated man who of course always puffed himself up and who could often be found hanging out at wrestling practice looking to get some greased boy-ass for lunch.
It would be easy to fill the thread with more examples of references to men going to wrestling schools to find sex partners.
11/24/2009 7:42pm, #169
I'll roll with anyone, if I found out later a guy was gay, it wouldn't matter. The only time I could see it being an issue would be if a guy walked in to my gym and declared he is gay. I would wonder about his motives same as the women would wonder about my motives if I walked into a yoga class and declared I was straight. I'm pretty sure I'd be asked to leave as well.
11/24/2009 7:44pm, #170