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  1. Hedgehogey is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by I crucified Jesus View Post
    Honestly, I think the issue with Judo Newaza could be solved by either labeling a turtle strategy without attempt to roll over or get back up as "stalling" with the appropriate penalty.
    That's exactly what FSJ does.

    Incidentally, to anyone who thinks i'm being a prissy little size queen about this and don't actually do judo, i'm new to the sport (one year, as opposed to my seven in BJJ) but I am a competitor. I've done eight tournaments in the past year (i'm sure you've seen my videos), most recently winning five out of six matches to get second at the Maryland Open, a nationals qualifier.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRedCap View Post
    That's about it IMHO. Judo IS NOT just competition, that's a part of the full package, if you want to compete using judo, you don't need a tailor-made judo-like organization just for your liking.
    A "tailor made judo like organization" is exactly what the IJf is becoming. They're considering banning half a dozen techniques as attacks, some of which were instituted by Kano himself.

    Christ, it even fails in its intended purpose: making Judo a popular, exciting sport. Sports don't thrive when all the athletes play the same way. Sports thrive on innovation and a diversity of styles. The IJF has been trying to cut away the eastern european style for some time and now they're trying to remove any wrestling influence on the sport.


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    I think anyone could presume Kano would do Judo. Of course, he was the one who started monkeying around with the ruleset to foster an idea of 'purity' in the first place. Tailoring what is allowed in Shiai to favor a certain type of play (and, thus the training methodology) isn't exactly a new thing.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    There have been various rulesets for shiai and Judo was still Judo under all of those rulesets. Shiai rules doesn't define Judo as UFC rules (different to Pride or Vale Tudo ones) doesn't define MMA.

    Shiai is a tool for learning/practising Judo, not Judo itself. As long as the ruleset don't go against Judo ideals it has not relevance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS View Post
    Shiai rules doesn't define Judo
    They do define what the majority of judo clubs spend the majority of their time on.
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    Make Turtle = held so non turtled player wins. Simple to judge and in the spirit.
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    What would Kano do?
    Kano was a member of the International Olympic Committee. He most definitely would have been glad both that Japan got to host the Olympic games and that Judo became an official Olympic sport.
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    The IJF has been trying to cut away the eastern european style for some time and now they're trying to remove any wrestling influence on the sport.
    You mean wrasslin'...it's what dirty Americans do. Before I joined my most recent judo club I was told by an instructor that morote gari was not 'good judo'. Apparently the IJF heard.


    To be honest I doubt any real headway will ever be made against the IJF despite many respected judoka not liking their decisions. To do so means that you lose out on the benefits of being part of a big organization. Say goodbye to the IJF and say goodbye to things like access to the major international competitions. As a martial art Judo loses out as clubs will start dropping techniques since they only want to focus on IJF approved stuff. But it isn't worth it for the regional judo organizations to fight the IJF over a few techniques verses having the entire judo support network fall out on them. I don't blame them too much for keeping the status quo as Judo is for the most part intact. However despite it not changing Judo as radically as the World Taekwondo federation gutted their art's sparring style, the trends of the IJF worrying about making judo pretty and 'pure' along with the principles of what they are doing bother me. As such if a small org like Freestyle that focuses on using Judo waza in a more open grappling ruleset becomes big (or kosen somehow emerges from the ashes...I'm not holding my breath), I won't be crying a river for the IJF. Yes there is a chance of too many splinter groups, but that's an opposite extreme of what we have now.

    And yes, I train in IJF approved judo. It's a beautiful thing but the judo bureaucrats need to have something to shake them up every now and then
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightowl View Post
    He (Kano) most definitely would have been glad both that Japan got to host the Olympic games and that Judo became an official Olympic sport.
    Are you sure?

    Considering 1936 Kano's letter to Koizumi, I have some doubts about that.

    "I have been asked by people of various sections as to the wisdom and possibility of Judo being introduced with other games and sports at the Olympic Games. My view on the matter, at present, is rather passive. If it be the desire of other member countries I have no objection. But I do not feel inclined to take any initiative. For one thing, Judo, in reality, is not a mere sport or game. I regard it as a principle of life, art and science. In fact it is a means for personal cultural attainment. Only one of the forms of Judo training, so-called Randori or free practice, can be classed as a form of sport. Certainly, to some extent, the same may be said of boxing and fencing, but today they are practised and conducted as sports. Then, the Olympic Games are so strongly flavoured with Nationalism that it is possible to be influenced by it and to develop 'Contest Judo,' a retrograde form as Ju Jutsu was before Kodokwan Judo was founded."

    Fulfilling His Duty as a Member: Jigoro Kano and the Japanese Bid for the 1940 Olympics. By Joseph R. Svinth
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