11/13/2009 11:27am, #51
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11/13/2009 11:52am, #52
You are the next generation of MMA judge - someone with actual MMA experience.
Howevere most Judges are still Boxing judges and don't understand ****. I.E. Shogun's leg kicks were more damaging than Machida's jabs
anyways it will take another 5 years for MMA judging to catch up
11/13/2009 12:08pm, #53
11/13/2009 12:45pm, #54
Let's just hope the NSAC gives me a shot at judging for them soon.
11/13/2009 2:27pm, #55
11/13/2009 4:01pm, #56
Not looking to sound snotty, I actually think this has to do with the flavor that judging striking in MMA has taken. Most guys who have MMA experience but are mostly just fans have a lot of MT under their belt for striking. And MT scoring does involve looking pretty. The last man to throw a good high kick wins the exchange even if it's deflected and he ate two jabs to do it because that's read as trying to finish the fight.
Current MMA judging is flawed in a couple of ways. But I'd really rather not see it take that turn where the guy swinging harder wins points over the guy fighting better.
11/13/2009 4:09pm, #57
You have to score based on damage and who put the most effort into winning the fight. In round 1, that did not describe Roy Nelson.
It's got nothing to do with who was swinging harder.
11/13/2009 4:23pm, #58
As for effort to win the fight, the Unified Rules of MMA have a surprisingly specific definition of how to score aggression and where it falls on the heirarchy of scoring a round. Way more specific than the nebulous term "octagon control." So, if you disagree on how that was taken into account your argument is with the rule set and not the judges.
P.S. Have I mentioned how much I love being able to intelligently argue scoring online? BS knows I love her, but I so rarely say it.
11/13/2009 4:37pm, #59
Like I'd originally said, I watched the fight as a fan, not a judge. Hell, as a fan I'm hoping Nelson wins the whole thing because it'd just be a spectacular trainwreck; guy who's ripped and hyped to no end gets eliminated early, guy who looks like he just walked in off the street gets put on the wall of the UFC Training Center.
Still, Roy was well on the way to being KO'd and didn't do an equal amount of damage in that round. It's not Pride, you don't score the fight based on cumulative damage over its entire course, you do it round by round.
It's the fighter's job to finish it. If his strategy is to wear the other guy down with light shots so he can finish him in the later rounds, that's the risk he chooses to take. It's my job to judge what he does in an individual round on its own. Heck, they even pick up our score cards after each round in most cases.
11/16/2009 4:38pm, #60
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I think Wren won round 1, 10-9
Roy won round 2, 10-9. Should have gone to a third round, in which I suspect Roy would have taken another 10-9.
I can't see Wren winning or tying round 2, nor could he have possibly gotten a 10-8 in the first. But I didn't see Roy winning or tying round 1 either, he took some significant shots. Should have gone to a third round.
I still hope he wins the whole thing, it will piss Dana off to no end. And I forgot about the pics on the wall of the training center, that'll be great.