Where is the line for when Bullshido becomes Fraud?

[Mtripp]

I found a place that claims the founder did fake rank in legitimate federations by altering documents (A USJF black belt membership card) http://www.e-budokai.com/jukokai/index.htm and false claims of being a Green Beret http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies464.htm.

Those are not claims, they are facts. All of it came out in the Cunningham case. There is much more too...

[Heltern]

Those are not claims, they are facts. All of it came out in the Cunningham case. There is much more too...

Well, if your "Grandmaster" lies and exagerates why would the HONEST people deal with him......???

I don't recognize their rank as being legit, and neither should anyone else. Only the foolish would train or accept rank from such an individual.

[Phrost]

You underestimate the number of people who fall into the "foolish" category, especially when it comes to the Martial Arts.

[kenso]

You underestimate the number of people who fall into the "foolish" category, especially when it comes to the Martial Arts.

A fact that's amply demonstrated by the fact that Juko kai still has students, along with a long list of other organizations long known to have shoddy credentials.

But just as most people would rather have the trappings of wealth than to work and scrimp and eventually have actual wealth, most people would rather have the trappings of being a high ranking martial artist than put in the work and dedication to actually become one.