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    Guided Chaos - Martial Realists: John Perkins

    Anyone heard of this guy? His program was covered in Time Out NY along with mine. Never heard of him before...
    http://www.martialrealist.org/

    His bio (note all the trademarks...LOL)

    John Perkins Self Defense Systems

    Since 1978 John Perkins has been teaching martial arts in New York where he founded the martial arts / self defense system now known as: Guided Chaos TM, Martial Realists TM, Fit 4 Fighting TM, Too Late to Tap Out TM, Native American Ground Fighting TM, Bare Hands to Handguns TM, No Officer Down TM, Ki Chuan Do TM, Ghostfist TM, and Close Combat Karate TM. He is the chief author of best selling self defense book Attack Proof: The Ultimate Guide to Personal Protection. He teaches his own brand of Martial Arts in the New York, Tri-State Area, Nationally, and Internationally.
    One of the best Bullshido investigations ever written: http://www.bullshido.org/David_Kujawski_Investigation

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    Quote Originally Posted by sambosteve View Post
    Anyone heard of this guy? His program was covered in Time Out NY along with mine. Never heard of him before...
    http://www.martialrealist.org/

    His bio (note all the trademarks...LOL)

    John Perkins Self Defense Systems

    Since 1978 John Perkins has been teaching martial arts in New York where he founded the martial arts / self defense system now known as: Guided Chaos TM, Martial Realists TM, Fit 4 Fighting TM, Too Late to Tap Out TM, Native American Ground Fighting TM, Bare Hands to Handguns TM, No Officer Down TM, Ki Chuan Do TM, Ghostfist TM, and Close Combat Karate TM. He is the chief author of best selling self defense book Attack Proof: The Ultimate Guide to Personal Protection. He teaches his own brand of Martial Arts in the New York, Tri-State Area, Nationally, and Internationally.
    they have some truly spazzy ground fighting "tactics" if you can call them that, but their seems to be a massive amount of Bullshido in the system
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    FYI, here's the Time Out article:

    http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/...efense-classes
    One of the best Bullshido investigations ever written: http://www.bullshido.org/David_Kujawski_Investigation

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    He is the chief author of best selling self defense book Attack Proof: The Ultimate Guide to Personal Protection.

    Also, lol (numbers are this week's sales, this year's sales, and sales since release).

    PERKINS JOHNATTACK PROOF: THE ULTIMATE GUI9780736003513TP19.95SPO027000HUMAN KINETICS

    PUBL2000-05-01

    0 404 15,251


    PERKINS JOHNATTACK PROOF: THE ULTIMATE GUI9780736078764TP19.95SPO027000HUMAN KINETICS PUBL2009-05-01

    40 1,314 1,314

    The sales aren't bad, really. But 16,500 over the course of nine years does not a best seller make.
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    Perhaps you should make a search of trollshido to see the various strange claims his practitioners have made.

    They always seem to say they are too deadly to spar, a tell tale sign of bullshido.

    also rivinton, your links are broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sley View Post

    also rivinton, your links are broken.
    They're not really links; I was just cutting and pasting from Bookscan (a subscription service for publishers) so they tend to look like links. (Within the bookscan db they are links.)

    Basically, there was a 2000 and a 2009 edition of the book Attack Proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivington View Post
    They're not really links; I was just cutting and pasting from Bookscan (a subscription service for publishers) so they tend to look like links. (Within the bookscan db they are links.)

    Basically, there was a 2000 and a 2009 edition of the book Attack Proof.
    does this guy have any back ground that would qualify him to talk about the Human body, besides what he may have learned as a cop which is people are all full of guts and bullets hurt.

    Basically, what about this guy qualifies him to write this?

    I know he's a cop, but at least systema can claim that they did a large amount of investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sley View Post
    Basically, what about this guy qualifies him to write this?
    Apparently he was also competing in "illegal pit fights" whilst still a police officer. Also, he has glowing testemonials claiming to be from people who claim to be martial artists, law enforcement and military. What more could you want?

    Seriously, it looks like Perkins had the same concerns about the majority of TMAs that many martial artists have. Namely that they do not work under the pressure of a real self-defence situation. Other arts and instructors have concluded that what is needed is a return to fundamentals, knowledge and experience in the stand-up/clinch/ground ranges, and alive training.

    Perkins, on the other hand, has concluded that what is needed are WWII combatives combined with his own brand of Chi Sao and Fa Jing. The flailing on the ground that has been mentioned is KCD's solution to being knocked down by an attacker (the idea is to make them back up so you can regain your feet) or dealing with a knife attack (it gets the vital organs out of range). Sadly, it suffers from the flaw of being bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicko1 View Post
    Perkins, on the other hand, has concluded that what is needed are WWII combatives combined with his own brand of Chi Sao and Fa Jing. The flailing on the ground that has been mentioned is KCD's solution to being knocked down by an attacker (the idea is to make them back up so you can regain your feet) or dealing with a knife attack (it gets the vital organs out of range). Sadly, it suffers from the flaw of being bullshit.
    I'm sorry but from what I've now seen on this art, this is the third worst case of bullshido I have ever seen

    1. Yellow Bamboo
    2. Count Dante
    3. KCD

    I just don't see how this can be legitimate or how it can be stopped.

    They won't spar, and they tell lies.

    Their untouchable.
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