Thread: BJJ White Belt Frustration
10/29/2009 4:28am, #11
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Don't judge your progress on who you can tap out and/or who taps you out. That is the number 1 thing you are doing wrong right now.
Are the guys you used to train with muscling through everything and forcing chokes that aren't actually on properly into cranks? If so then they're not learning Jiu Jitsu. Did you reverse any positions? Escape? Pull off any nice sweeps? These are the small victories you should take away with you that mark your progress.
Keeping a tally of who you can tap is meaningless. Let me tell you a story:
The other night at training, a brand new White Belt was allowed to train with us. When it was my turn to spar with me him, I slowed down and was letting him move through positions. He got on my back and I was turtling - not trying to escape - just letting him work. His arm ended up in my mouth. He then tried to apply an RNC full force and split my entire bottom lip against my teeth. Tap? I fucking screamed. When he pulled his arm out his gi was covered in blood.
A silly thing to do but all n00bs make mistakes like that at the beginning. After we started rolling again I put him in a Triangle and he wouldn't tap. Time was called just as I was starting to think he may go to sleep rather than submit.
This guy is crippling his progress due to some crazy notion that tapping someone and/or not tapping yourself means you're progressing. In his case, the opposite couldn't be more true with an extra side dish of dickishness.
Don't be that dick. Stop caring about tapping people and just enjoy learning Jiu Jitsu.
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10/29/2009 8:33am, #12
OP, you hit part of the problem right on the head. At your old school you learned one technique and then rolled. At the new school you are learning a lot of techniques.
You used to have a toolbox with only a few tools so it was real easy to grab the right one, now you have the big friggen tool box with lots of tools and you aren't sure which one to grab or even how to use it correctly.
Part of the learning process is developing your own game. As you advance you will find that there are certain tools you will make yours and you will begin to use them without even thinking about it. As time passes you will add more tools to that set you can use with skill.
Also try to focus on your positional game. Don't worry about subs. Remember its position, position, position, submission. Less focus on submission and more on position.
Hope this helps.
10/29/2009 9:21am, #13
Why are you rolling with a purple belt all the time? How many other people are in your Gracie class?
10/29/2009 10:58am, #14
Artemis BJJ | Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in Bristol
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I would recommend three things: learn how to relax in sparring, ask lots of questions and try to focus on improving your technique rather than worrying about who taps who. There is a really good thread on that last point, which I'd urge you to read.
If you've got a longer attention span, I babble about the frustration question at length in the FAQ.
10/29/2009 11:00am, #15
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10/29/2009 11:20am, #16
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Do you know that a blue and a black belt know generally the same techniques? The difference is in timing, and the ton of fine details that will make or break a submission, sweep, counter etc.
Don't think that you need to toss out all of your BJJ and start over simply because you're hitting a wall. What you need is to look at the overall game now, how you put all of those together and when.
10/29/2009 11:30am, #17
Now this will probably not be a good game plan for you but the concept of taking your time and keeping good balance and position will help your game.
The funny thing was I got more subs when I was cautious than when I was aggressive because a lot of people will start to get reckless trying to set up their attacks if you don't give them any good openings.
Be patient and good luck.
10/29/2009 11:36am, #18What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. -Xenophon's Socrates
10/29/2009 11:48am, #19
10/29/2009 11:53am, #20
Sorry for the derail, I thought it was interesting.
Dave Camarillo (elite-level judo competitor, BJJ black belt) often speaks in broad generalizations about judo being attribute-driven, explosive, overwhelming and direct, whereas BJJ is more laid-back in its strategy, and relies on superior technique winning out in the end.
Disclaimer: Obviously this is not true in all cases, it's not a blanket assertion that Judo is X while BJJ is Y. I'm just saying that Helio's statement is impressive in how it states the BJJ strategy in strikingly similar terms to how Dave Camarillo describes.What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. -Xenophon's Socrates