10/28/2009 8:33am, #11
That video's te guruma.
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10/28/2009 8:57am, #12
Case in point Te guruma is not one of the 67Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
10/28/2009 9:27am, #13
This wiki-page gives the names of the non reconized throws (together with the 67 ofcourse).Originally Posted by Jiujitsu77Originally Posted by HumanzeeOriginally Posted by jk55299 on Keysi Fighting Method
10/28/2009 10:25am, #14
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10/28/2009 10:31am, #16
Really how so? You're telling me that after the Koreans finally got rid of the Japanese from there land that they did not have any hard feelings for all the years of occupation? The fact that many of the Korean martial arts masters were trained in Japan and latter to have a since of national pride created TKD and brought back styles that were forbidden to be practiced?
Why is it that every time I go to Japan there is a TV talk show with Koreans bitching about how the Japanese fucked up there society and they wish they would all burn in hell.Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
10/28/2009 10:40am, #17
That throw is not UNIQUE to Korean wrestling. IDK where it originated but I seriously doubt the idea of lifting the another guy up by the crotch and dumping him on his head was an original Korean idea. It may be present in an old Korean training manual but its also present in old Japanese, Greek, Russian, Mesopotamian, and Egyptian hieroglyphics.Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
10/28/2009 11:03am, #18
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10/28/2009 11:06am, #19
Dammit you got me started. The reason that a particular technique is not listed as one of the 67 even though it is effective is due to the obscurity of it. Fundamentally it will have all the traits of a good throw and may be a derivative of a know throw.
Take the Khabarelli for example. Does it work? Yes. Essentially is a standing/flying sumi geashi. Now we know how to do that throw and can break it down and teach it because it falls into the parameters of a good technique. Is it for everyone? No. But almost anyone can do it. It's an obscure technique that used correctly will do the job.
Should we all now say that oh that's Russian Judo and its got it's roots back when they use to wrestle bears and it came from an old man in the mountains and its should be its own style? Hell no. It's fucking Judo. It fits into the system and works. Should we give homage to the originator? Hell yea.
That throw, teguruma, is awesome. I love doing it and have been doing it for many years. I even show it to my MMA guys. I have not had one do it yet though. All I am saying is that it is not unique to any country or person for that matter. Mifune has it in his book and I have seen it in several wrestling texts as well.Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
10/28/2009 11:33am, #20
Koreans pronouncing 柔道 as Yudo has nothing to do with hatred of the Japanese. It has everything to do with the Chinese characters were imported into Korean and Japanese culture centuries before there was any Japanese/Korean animosity.
It's the same reason 跆拳道 is pronounced Taiquandao in Beijing and not Taekwondo.
It's the same reason 截拳道 is pronounced Jiequandao in Taiwan, and not Jitkyundou (Jeet Kune Do).
It's not your language to tell people how to speak.
That has nothing to do with linguistics.
However, because of the historical interplay between Ssireum & Yudo in Korea, especially at Yongin University, its place in Yudo is, thus making it a uniquely Korean throw from the inside perspective. It's identified as a Ssireum throw, duromechigi, and not as an outside technique, te guruma.