10/27/2009 11:23am, #11
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G-off: Thanks for the second analysis.
MMAMickey, Massive reduction of the analysis. Need a little more before I get onto that train. How do you see this reducing to that? Please explain. Also, Rashad was certainly not the first fighter to fall to Lyoto's style. And there are a lot of very good fighters in that weightclass.
10/27/2009 11:31am, #12
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I'm not so sure 'not checking the lowkicks' is such a good idea. From watching a lot of K-1 fights i've learned that checking them is always the best solution: it's not just a defense, it's also a weapon; check three or four lowkicks correctly and you take away Shogun's will to throw them.
With Machida's stance (putting weight on the front leg) it could actually help him to set up fast counters with his straight right.
This is my first post on this board and I have zero experience with mma. But I've done a lot of tae kwon do (lol) some shotokan and recently started kickboxing here in holland (who have a lot of knowledge about lowkicks!).
10/27/2009 11:58am, #13
The fact that Rua was soo successful using a purely technical Muay Thai gameplan makes me think that Anderson Silva would indeed beat Machida.
10/27/2009 1:49pm, #14
Machida didn't always back up either, many times he moved straight in to try and counter with a left straight, but either his accuracy would be off, Shogun's defense would be too good, or he would have a bad angle because of his own mistake in footwork.
Straight punches, a kick to the plant leg or blocking and catching the opponent's kick are all valid counters to leg and body kicks as well, and I think those would be better options for Machida.
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10/27/2009 2:14pm, #15
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10/27/2009 2:18pm, #16
10/27/2009 6:21pm, #17Machida's Successes and Future Plans
A. What Machida Should NOT Do
Check leg kicks.
I realize this is crazy talk. The best defense against leg kicks is to check them, of course! The problem is, I believe lifting the front leg to check Shogun's kicks would disrupt Lyoto's stance an inordinate amount because so much weight is on Machida's front leg.
Shogun would have a field day mixing up leg kicks with feints and following up with straight punches.Undisputed KING OF ASSHOLES.
10/27/2009 7:42pm, #18
Unfortunately, I don't have any good pictures/gifs of his standing stance in rounds 4 and 5, but it looked much more shallow to me. That meant he was able to shift his weight much moreto check kicks, but at a significant cost to his offense. Taking legs kicks so he can't have as deep a stance, or having a shallow stance in order to check those kicks both mean a loss in punching power and slow his back-and-forth movement. Both of these things are critical to Machida's offense, so he needs footwork and to pick up some of Shogun's kick counter ideas in order to defend effectively against leg kicks.
As for Shogun not capitalizing on Machida's kick checks (which I still didn't see a ton of), I believe it to be mostly because of corner telling him he was winning, which took away from his aggressiveness. Had he still been pushing forward like in the 1st and 2nd rounds, me might've picked up on Machida being wary of his leg kicks, and starting following up with straight punches. But, that's just a guess.
I'm almost certain that in his normal, deep, front-heavy stance, Machida would be slow in checking kicks to his right lead leg, and he needs the weight there in order to leap in and out of punching range quickly and with power. Switching to orthodox often isn't a horrible idea, but takes away his heavy left hand.
Most important of all, many of Shogun's best leg kicks were simultaneous counters to Machida's body kicks. Machida should first and foremost circle to the correct side, to give better angles to his left kicks and punches, and worse angles for Shogun's right. If Shogun has to reach every time he kicks under a Machida kick, it puts him in more danger and makes his counter harder to land. Secondly, he should try mixing in more leg kicks. Though there are counters aplenty to leg kicks, kicking underneath them is a pretty difficult option. Thirdly, when Shogun initiates with a body kick, take a page out of his book and kick or sweep the plant leg simultaneously. He can take away power and confidence by punishing the front leg, or by putting Shogun on his butt every time he commits to a kick.
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10/29/2009 9:24am, #19
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10/29/2009 9:51am, #20
*before yet another person accuses me of hating karate I should probably finally make it known I did shotokan for about 5/6 years sigh*