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Old 10-21-2009, 03:47 PM  
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By Alex on 11-01-2009, 11:09 AM
dunno how people only eat meat a couple of times a week- imo its not a meal if it wasnt alive at some point frolicking in a field or a stream
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By Lebell on 11-01-2009, 11:55 AM
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dunno how people only eat meat a couple of times a week- imo its not a meal if it wasnt alive at some point frolicking in a field or a stream
i used to eat meat on a daily bases, but i found i enjoy it way more when its only twice a week.
besides, both my training and my monthly budget gone down so it's not that relevant anymore.
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By Jon_B on 11-01-2009, 09:09 PM
Ok. I'm not a member of NAAFA, but having learned information about them, I think there's a bit of confusion going on.

-First and foremost: The majority are not advocating unhealthiness. Most of the members advocate what's called "Health at Every Size." What that means is that they believe if they make positive lifestyle changes (I.e. healthy eating, exercise, rest, low stress, and so on), they will reach the size that they should be along with health benefits. (And that doesn't mean they are/believe they are already where they should be).
There are members that don't believe in that, but it's more of an "Accept all" situation than catering to the goals of the latter. Yes there are talks of whether or not there's a need to "Draw a line."

-It has many goals, and civil rights is a component. In some places it's illegal to fire/not hire someone for being too fat (Or too thin) for example, and they take cases like that. There's a support element, and often some Health at Every Size elements thrown in.

-I'm not going to find studies to counter yours, but to this day I haven't found anything that says shaming t3h fatties helps. If anything it's been said to make things worse.
http://health.usnews.com/blogs/on-fi...b-obesity.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2231508/pagenum/all/

(And the unhealthy ones save us $$$ from dying quicker:
http://www.slate.com/id/2184475/)

Frankly I just support everyone, and think that's the better route. Yes we need better foods, less toxins in the air, and less processing in everything (Especially in the US), but those things affect everyone thin or fat.

There are a lot of things that drain our system too. Whether it's smokers, people that do sports (Lots of injuries and deaths compile to burden us in the bank), people that are unhealthy at any size, etc. You can't blame one group for everything. I've practiced martial arts with fat peers, and they've never had trouble from what I've seen. Plus I feel it's my duty to support them being active especially if they're trying to lose weight in the process.

But let me get off my high horse. I'm not going to sway your opinion, but I did want to bring some things to the table. I don't like thinking of this in terms of "Good" versus "Bad," and I'm not saying you have to accept the bad, but know that there are "Good" people that aren't trying to burden you or anyone else.

(And note: I'm 5'10, and a lightweight. In the military too. Not that it matters lol)
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By Lebell on 11-02-2009, 05:26 AM
^^^blablabla....
i really don't care.
if you're a fat pig: stop making excuses, stop stuffing your face and go jogging.
no i dont care that you don't ilke jogging.
leave the pie...

don't make me get out the whip...
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By dwkfym on 11-02-2009, 11:24 AM
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At a December debate in Iowa, Obama announced that "if we went back to the obesity rates that existed in 1980, that would save the Medicare system a trillion dollars." We might chalk this up as mere Obambast, another of the Senator's blowy promises. But Clinton mirrors the claim on her own Web site: "Medicare could save over a trillion dollars over 25 years if obesity among seniors could be returned to levels in the 1980s."
Thats because everyone in the 80's was on coke, hyperactive, and skinny as fuck in order to look dead bang sexy.
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By El Pibe on 11-02-2009, 11:35 AM
While I agree that a good portion of people who are fat are that way because they eat unhealthy and don't exercise, I don't know if you can say the MAJORITY of them are that way for that reason. I'm not sure if there has been any sociological studies done into the subject. It'd be kind of hard to quantify anyway, I guess.

In any case. my point is, for the portion of the population that IS fat because of glandular, or medical reasons (certain medications and steroids for terminal diseases), I don't think that wearing the sign that says "I'm a burden on society" is really fair. Now, I'm not advocating for this NAAFA bullshit because they should be encouraging a healthy lifestyle, not encouraging obesity. I'm just saying, it's not always so black and white.
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