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  1. Kickbox is offline

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    Kong Soo Do? What do you know?

    Kong soo do translates as 'the way of the empty hand'. Basically kong soo do is Korean Karate. In particular kong soo do is shotokan karate with Korean terminology.
    TKD was developed from kong soo do.
    The first teachers of KMA in the US in the 1960's basically taught Korean karate represented by one of the kwans.
    One of the first kong soo do masters in the US was a master Kim Soo from Texas.
    What do you know about kong soo do?
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    I know DerAuslander must somehow be overlooking this thread.

    I don't know if that's intentional or unintentional.

    Maybe he just thinks it isn't worth his effort right now.

    Please, do tell me more about how Kong Soo Do is the sun source of all TKD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickbox View Post
    What do you know about kong soo do?
    Enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Styygens View Post
    I know DerAuslander must somehow be overlooking this thread.

    I don't know if that's intentional or unintentional.

    Maybe he just thinks it isn't worth his effort right now.
    Sorry.

    Was too busy wenching at the Renfest yesterday.
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    Hey Der, does Kong Soo Do = Tang Soo Do?

    I just reached 4th Gup.

    I may even make Black Belt before I'm 45 at this rate, maybe 50.
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    I am not Der, but I am fairly sure that the answer is no.

    From a translation perspective, TSD is way of the Tang hand, vs. way of the empty hand. If I recall, TSD uses the orginal kanji for karate (China hand) while KSD was represented by the later (empty hand).

    I am unaware of any current kong soo do organizations. I was under the impression that at least one of the kwans that had KSD in its name became the Jidokwan and that another became Chang Moo Kwan, both of which I believe were absorbed into the Kukkiwon.

    So, I would say that having a background in TSD does not equal having one in KSD.

    As the question was directed to Der, who is likely more historically knowledgeable than myself, I will defer to his take on the question.

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    While I appreciate and understand the differences you have described, I was looking more for the asthetic and practical differences in the arts. For example;

    TSD is definitely not Shotokan, but over the years of evolution, the casual observer would be hard pressed to identify the differences between the practice of the two.
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    Well, KSD was Shotokan with Korean terminology. Same forms and techniques. So far as I know (I was eight the last time I had any involvement in TSD) Tang Soo Do uses Pyung Ahn forms, which are pinan forms which is what Heian forms are but they were renamed by Funakoshi. So I would think that that would explain why TKS and Shotokan are difficult to tell apart.

    Kong Soo Do would have been whatever Shotokan was like at that time in Korea. As KSD is no longer a commonly used name, anyone using it could be doing either Shotokan, TKD with Shotokan forms, or something else entirely, so nailing down the asthetic and practical differences would be difficult except on a school by school basis I would think.

    Again, there are probably others here better equiped to answer than I.

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    No, Dangsudo & Gongsudo are not the same thing.

    Yes, they are exactly the same thing.

    You're basically asking if karate is the same as karate.

    With the exception of a few places, Gongsudo no longer exists. Unlike the multiple Dangsudo Mudeokgwan offshoots, most Gongsudo schools were subsumed into Gukgi Taegwondo.

    Your 4th geup in which ever system of Dangsudo you received it in would not equate to being a 4th geup in Gongsudo.

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