Thread: Why become a soldier?
10/23/2009 12:51pm, #101
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Do you mean Political faction (wiki'd) is a grouping of like-minded individuals, especially within a political organization, such as a political party, a trade union, or other group.
Uh, going beyond the above definition, all human social activities have "faction".
But it would be nice to know your definition of "faction".
By defining the best interests as that of the majority, do you really mean to support genocide and international pillaging of natural resources?
By interest of the majority I mean what the majority supports on any given political/social issue that the government deals with.
Help me out here, can you identify any government that exists(ed) that did not provide a greater share of benefit to those in positions of influence to those in power.? That includes those with any dynamic, say change of party in majority through elections.
Where did democracy make these promises and are they in writing? Democracy is where very eligible person may vote. Democracy encourages factional struggles and games.
As far as faction, democracy never discouraged it, but some of the prominent figures at the time around the American Revolution did specify problems with faction in democratic governments (see Federalist No. 10).
You can also look at other forms of government. Read the Communist Manifesto and then look at how Communist countries have applied (or not applied) various aspects of it. Was the selective application of the Communist ideology for the good of the people or the ruling party?
What are the countries making these gains and how do you define equal society?
For example, the US was build on the ideology of freedom, equality, and liberty for all, but slavery continued until the Civil War.
Stop relying on these:
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10/23/2009 1:35pm, #102
I could use a beer too.
Flawed construction materials make poor foundations to build a house upon.
The main issue your arguments have to overcome is the apparent belief that a "political system" may be improved to overcome human condition.
What makes up any political system? People. People who may at times abandon selfish pursuits for a greater good and then go back to selfish pursuits.
Germany, Rwanda, Armenia. The majority in power of those areas supported, effected and benefited from genocide. By your statements, you support genocide.
Also, it will be easier for you to maintain a consistent position by only arguing one side of the fence.
How about we stop the thread derail and get back to OP topic.
Warfighting and the various support groups are jobs. Some are born to it, some do it for kicks, and other cause its what was available. It may be the most important one around when diplomacy fails, is spurned or someone just wants your national stuff.
I appreciate the service every one who does it for whatever the reason.
10/23/2009 4:17pm, #103
"The only important elements in any society
are the artistic and the criminal,
because they alone, by questioning the society's values,
can force it to change."-Samuel R. Delany
RENDERING GELATINOUS WINDMILL OF DICKS
THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST NON-EUCLIDIAN SPLATTERJOUST EVER
It seems that the only people who support anarchy are faggots, who want their pathetic immoral lifestyle accepted by the mainstream society. It wont be so they try to create their own.-Oldman34, friend to all children
10/23/2009 7:10pm, #104
10/23/2009 7:39pm, #105
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I'm not debating with you. I just wonder what real world example lat up your penchant for single-party systems.
10/23/2009 8:06pm, #106
10/23/2009 8:11pm, #107
Rather than get involved in a debate about the saddening spectacle of man at variance with man, I have always held the belief that facing death with comrades at your side is likely to be one of the deepest bonding experiences known to man. It may be that what we really desire is not the social or political gains that come from war, but a brotherhood.
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day."We often joke -- and we really wish it were a joke -- that you will only encounter two basic problems with your 'self-defense' training.
1) That it doesn't work
2) That it does work"
10/24/2009 4:00pm, #108
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I agree, we should get back on topic, but I would like to clarify this:
On the subject of serving in the military, it is important to note the "myth of war". This myth perpetuates glorified images of war as a means of coping for those who have experienced it first hand and as a gateway to manhood (a right of passage) to those who have yet to experience it, whilst also providing nations with justification and a tool for mobilizing its nation's citizenry (recruitment and propaganda).
This does not necessarily diminish the experiences of the individual, but rather it helps explain the phenomena of mass mobilization and the rise of the volunteer military.
Further information on this theory can be found from John Keegan and George Mosse.
10/25/2009 3:24pm, #109
136 killed in a blast with 2 car bombs. 600 Injured.
Wonder how well that would go over on this side of the pond as a weekly occurrence.You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it
3/09/2010 4:15am, #110
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erm... Hedgehogey... Ecclesiasties only has 12 chapters... where were you getting Chapter 22 from? May have been a mis-type, if it was could you reference where those verses are in the bible? Those ones in particular don't sound familiar to me. I am just talking about Eccl. not the other ones.