Guided Chaos - Martial Realists: John Perkins

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 10/28/2009 9:59pm

Anyone heard of this guy? His program was covered in Time Out NY along with mine. Never heard of him before...
http://www.martialrealist.org/

His bio (note all the trademarks...LOL)

John Perkins Self Defense Systems

Since 1978 John Perkins has been teaching martial arts in New York where he founded the martial arts / self defense system now known as: Guided Chaos TM, Martial Realists TM, Fit 4 Fighting TM, Too Late to Tap Out TM, Native American Ground Fighting TM, Bare Hands to Handguns TM, No Officer Down TM, Ki Chuan Do TM, Ghostfist TM, and Close Combat Karate TM. He is the chief author of best selling self defense book Attack Proof: The Ultimate Guide to Personal Protection. He teaches his own brand of Martial Arts in the New York, Tri-State Area, Nationally, and Internationally.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 10/28/2009 10:15pm

Guided Chaos aka Ki Chuan Do aka Ghost Fist aka AttackProof: Practioner Quotes - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

KCD/www.attackproof.com READ THIS! - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

No BS MMA and Martial Arts

John Perkins made the New York Times - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

**Sley** · Posted On: 10/28/2009 11:42pm

Originally Posted by sambosteve

Anyone heard of this guy? His program was covered in Time Out NY along with mine. Never heard of him before...
http://www.martialrealist.org/

His bio (note all the trademarks...LOL)

John Perkins Self Defense Systems

Since 1978 John Perkins has been teaching martial arts in New York where he founded the martial arts / self defense system now known as: Guided Chaos TM, Martial Realists TM, Fit 4 Fighting TM, Too Late to Tap Out TM, Native American Ground Fighting TM, Bare Hands to Handguns TM, No Officer Down TM, Ki Chuan Do TM, Ghostfist TM, and Close Combat Karate TM. He is the chief author of best selling self defense book Attack Proof: The Ultimate Guide to Personal Protection. He teaches his own brand of Martial Arts in the New York, Tri-State Area, Nationally, and Internationally.

they have some truly spazzy ground fighting "tactics" if you can call them that, but their seems to be a massive amount of Bullshido in the system

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 10/29/2009 10:22am

FYI, here's the Time Out article:

http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/...efense-classes

**Rivington** · Posted On: 10/29/2009 3:14pm

He is the chief author of best selling self defense book Attack Proof: The Ultimate Guide to Personal Protection.

Also, lol (numbers are this week's sales, this year's sales, and sales since release).

PERKINS JOHN ATTACK PROOF: THE ULTIMATE GUI9780736003513TP19.95SPO027000HUMAN KINETICS

PUBL2000-05-01

0 404 15,251

PERKINS JOHN ATTACK PROOF: THE ULTIMATE GUI9780736078764TP19.95SPO027000HUMAN KINETICS PUBL2009-05-01

40 1,314 1,314

The sales aren't bad, really. But 16,500 over the course of nine years does not a best seller make.

**Sley** · Posted On: 10/29/2009 6:09pm

Perhaps you should make a search of trollshido to see the various strange claims his practitioners have made.

They always seem to say they are too deadly to spar, a tell tale sign of bullshido.

also rivinton, your links are broken.

**Rivington** · Posted On: 10/29/2009 6:14pm

Originally Posted by Sley

also rivinton, your links are broken.

They're not really links; I was just cutting and pasting from Bookscan (a subscription service for publishers) so they tend to look like links. (Within the bookscan db they are links.)

Basically, there was a 2000 and a 2009 edition of the book Attack Proof.

**Sley** · Posted On: 10/29/2009 9:29pm

Originally Posted by Rivington

They're not really links; I was just cutting and pasting from Bookscan (a subscription service for publishers) so they tend to look like links. (Within the bookscan db they are links.)

Basically, there was a 2000 and a 2009 edition of the book Attack Proof.

does this guy have any back ground that would qualify him to talk about the Human body, besides what he may have learned as a cop which is people are all full of guts and bullets hurt.

Basically, what about this guy qualifies him to write this?

I know he's a cop, but at least systema can claim that they did a large amount of investigation.

**Nicko1** · Posted On: 10/29/2009 9:56pm

Originally Posted by Sley

Basically, what about this guy qualifies him to write this?

Apparently he was also competing in "illegal pit fights" whilst still a police officer. Also, he has glowing testemonials claiming to be from people who claim to be martial artists, law enforcement and military. What more could you want?

Seriously, it looks like Perkins had the same concerns about the majority of TMAs that many martial artists have. Namely that they do not work under the pressure of a real self-defence situation. Other arts and instructors have concluded that what is needed is a return to fundamentals, knowledge and experience in the stand-up/clinch/ground ranges, and alive training.

Perkins, on the other hand, has concluded that what is needed are WWII combatives combined with his own brand of Chi Sao and Fa Jing. The flailing on the ground that has been mentioned is KCD's solution to being knocked down by an attacker (the idea is to make them back up so you can regain your feet) or dealing with a knife attack (it gets the vital organs out of range). Sadly, it suffers from the flaw of being bullshit.

**Sley** · Posted On: 10/29/2009 11:19pm

Originally Posted by Nicko1

Perkins, on the other hand, has concluded that what is needed are WWII combatives combined with his own brand of Chi Sao and Fa Jing. The flailing on the ground that has been mentioned is KCD's solution to being knocked down by an attacker (the idea is to make them back up so you can regain your feet) or dealing with a knife attack (it gets the vital organs out of range). Sadly, it suffers from the flaw of being bullshit.

I'm sorry but from what I've now seen on this art, this is the third worst case of bullshido I have ever seen

1. Yellow Bamboo
2. Count Dante
3. KCD

I just don't see how this can be legitimate or how it can be stopped.

They won't spar, and they tell lies.

Their untouchable.