It looks like the website is down, not redirecting to Salt Lake City.
Originally Posted by immortalmonky
What site did you see pointing to SLC? Because I checked several of the sites and couldn't find any that were doing so.
It was redirecting there and of the Soards main website back when he first posted.
Wow, the entire website was redesigned in the last couple of weeks. There are only 5 states and Ireland listed now. When it was redirecting, all of the old school still existed on the website. That was when the Las Vegas link was redirecting to SLC. It was probably a glitch in the change.
Last edited by It is Fake; 1/27/2011 2:30pm at .
Master Matt's Blog [http://blog.shaolinlasvegas.com/] for the school is still up, though it has not been updated since May of 2010.
I've sent out some emails though to see if I could get some more direct answers, and will post if/when I hear back.
As to the complete breakaway by the Phoenix School, I agree that it is a much healthier route in the end, and Jake has certainly embraced cross training as well as more focused training based on goals rather than series of movements.
You didn't catch my edit above.
Originally Posted by It is Fake
It would seem we are writing pretty much at the same time. I edited the previous post to account for your update.
Last edited by krsd; 1/27/2011 2:55pm at .
Hunh? I answered your question and explained what happened by 12:30 you hadn't posted yet. I couldn't miss your "edit" as it wasn't created.
Originally Posted by krsd
Interesting move from Jake. Did not expect that one. I live in Vegas and there is no where good to train now. Yeah Master Matt was and is a weirdo but his martial arts were good even if he was a strange teacher. The elder masters were too pushy on lifestyle and it came out through the teachers in a very ugly way.
I was in Chinese Shaolin for many years and spent alot of time with all the masters including Sin Kwan The. Sin is a good man but he is also conflicted inside. Hard to tell what mood any of the teachers may be in day to day because they let training rule their life.
Originally Posted by littleoldme
I used to work with this guy who acted like this verbally and visually while he was on the job, (and I've no doubt got overly grope-y when he wasn't at work). One day, after he'd slowed the work truck down to a crawl and stared lecherously at a woman jogging or walking or whatever for like, the 5th time that day and the 50th time that month, I finally lost it. I said: "seriously, G___, has that EVER worked for you? Has that EVER translated to you getting laid when you do something creepy like that?"
Where there's smoke, there's fire, and guys who act like that, in my opinion, have gotten away with more before. You show me a guy who has a habit of groping women and acting all creepy and controlling, and I'll show you a guy who's gotten away with date rape at some point. And, no, 50% of guys do not act like that.
Wow! I am a former Boulder CSC student, and just read this entire thread. I got my black belt back in 1999, and haven't trained their since 2001. I have been seriously thinking about going back, that's why I am on the Internet (I was trying to look up the festival schedule). But now, after reading all this, I mean... DAMN! I really don't think I could train there.
My impression of the place is as follows: Pros: It was a great workout; I would occasionally get into some serious sparring matches; and the art was/is cool. Cons: There could be a weird vibe sometimes; their were a few bad apples; and the training could be inconsistent, especially when 'story time' would go on forever.
If there was a cult atmosphere, it didn't affect me. There was definitely weirdness at times, but I am super independent guy, and so I was on the outside of all that. For example, I went out for food with the Soards and 5 or 6 other students after a festival. We went to a Chinese place on 28th, and everyone orders vegetarian. There was kind of these vibe like, 'OK now, everyone order vegetarian'. I'm not a vegetarian, and I could give a F what other people want me to eat, so I order my favorite, sesame shrimp. The food comes and the table center spins so you can share dishes. I simply pulled my plate off the spin-thing and ate my shrimp. There may have been some disapproving looks and so forth, but I am not a conformist, so I just ignored them.
I could see going back and dealing with the weird vibes and stuff, because the workouts were good. Especially push-hands sparring, I really miss that. But after reading all this... DAMN!
I was most likely at that festival. You missed quite a bit in your absence. You called them vegetarians and they quickly switched to being vegan. They are the scary not cool vegans. By 2002ish you would have been expected to sit at another table or get talked about at the table until you were uncomfortable.
Almost all the instructors had become vegan by 2003-04. The atmosphere changed dramatically. Story time was replaced with vegan, I hate meat, animals are better than humans, and Christmas/Donation parties.