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  1. Larus marinus is offline
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    Starting one's own martial art...

    ...awarding oneself a 10th Dan and proclaiming oneself Supreme Grandmaster/Hanshi/Soke/Kancho/etc. - under what circumstances is this considered acceptable by the wider MA community? Is it *ever* considered an acceptable practice?

    Just trying to get this down straight, being a n00b.

    I suppose that if you were already extremely high-ranking in another art and you believed that you'd developed a New Way Of Doing It that was superior, or added something significant to the style that made it, in your opinion, better but now fundamentally different - then that might be a legitimate reason...
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    IMO, "awarding oneself" a 10th degree & proclaiming to be a Soke, Grandmaster or whatever is NEVER acceptable. Especially when it's one of their own invention.
    Being a "Founder" is one thing, but giving yourself 10th degrees and traditional titles are simply delusions of grandeur .:jerkit2yf
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    I am not sure why anyone would want to even try and form their own art. I have enough trouble working through the ones I have avaialble to me.

    I guess if you are a visionary and you are willing to take the time to formulate something truly unique, then it MIGHT be alright. But how many Kano, Gracie, Emperado,.......type people are there out there. I think they are few and far between.
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    I would say when you start teaching people, and they start beating up top ranking members of other respective arts, then you can claim you have your own art. Until then, you are just playing circle jerk.
    "a martial art that has no rules is nothing but violence" - Kenji Tomiki
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    Generally it seems like if you are bored, have free time, like watching kung fu movies, and need to make some money quick, that is the appropriate time to form your own martial art and proclaim yourself 10th dan and photoshop a picture of yourself throwing Sokaku Takeda out a window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterfinger View Post
    IMO, "awarding oneself" a 10th degree & proclaiming to be a Soke, Grandmaster or whatever is NEVER acceptable. Especially when it's one of their own invention.
    Being a "Founder" is one thing, but giving yourself 10th degrees and traditional titles are simply delusions of grandeur .:jerkit2yf
    I suppose that you could defend the 10th degree thing by claiming that you need to establish a belt system for the Nu-Budo...

    Quote Originally Posted by searcher66071 View Post
    I am not sure why anyone would want to even try and form their own art. I have enough trouble working through the ones I have avaialble to me.

    I guess if you are a visionary and you are willing to take the time to formulate something truly unique, then it MIGHT be alright. But how many Kano, Gracie, Emperado,.......type people are there out there. I think they are few and far between.
    Heh, the problem seems to be that there are too many people out there who think that they're the next Kano, Gracie, Emperado, Bruce Lee, etc. - when really they're just BBJ blue belts who also do a bit of Karate/Wing Chun on the side and then decide to smash together what they know and give it a fancy name...
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    Ah, those BBJ Bluebelts.
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    Ah, those BBJ Bluebelts.
    Argh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionPimp View Post
    I would say when you start teaching people, and they start beating up top ranking members of other respective arts, then you can claim you have your own art. Until then, you are just playing circle jerk.
    No, IF you promoted someone else and eventually someone promoted under their lineage promoted you, THEN it's a circle jerk. Until then it's just public masterbation. Unless it's a secret martial art, then it's just masturbation.
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