Breaking out of Holds

**SMF** · Posted On: 2/04/2004 3:47am

yeah god ive been searchin round the net for pics of a good defence and so many sites seem to have pics of "full nelsons" where there seems to be no pressure applied at all. Mind you i have seen people do this for real just to stop someone punching the jesus hell out of someone...

**Omar** · Posted On: 2/04/2004 6:10am

Maybe it's just because I'm too freakin wirey and have some crazy ass arm flexibility but I've never not been able to drop down and twist out of it before it's set in. This probably predjudices me against using one too . . .oh, yeah and I'm only about 155 so there's a serious possibility that the guy I need to restrain is too big for me to reach all the way around for a full nelson anyways. It always seems much easier for me to go for a ...um...I don't know what it's called but it's like a rear naked but with one arm reaching in under his arm from behind so you have a strangle on one side and his other arm up an angle.

Anyone know what that's called? I figure there must be a formal name for it because it works so well. In some ways I can get better control of his body than a rear naked. And before you guys come in with how easy it is to controll someone whos unconcious, I'm thinking of regular old bar room scuffles where I just want to 'escort' someone out of the area.

Actually, KTK you should like this, the last time I was tempted to try a full nelson was at work. I used to wait tables at this place in San Francisco and towards the end of the night this bodybuilder type so big I couldn't have clasped my hands behind his neck if he was co-operating...he and this slightly shady type about 6'2" start getting into it at the bar when we were trying to close up. The manager was hiding in the back and the rest of the staff weren'y sure what to do. I walked up behind the shorter more muscular guy (they had both been drinking). I reached up from behind on the left and turned his head around in a spiral up and to the left ( a little assistance from my other hand on his right shoulder.) He started to turn around in response and Icontinued the spiral now sweeping downwards but still to the left. I dumped him. But then I set him down gently and switched my grip as he was falling so that I had his wrist and pulled up breaking his fall while asking him, "Hey ther buddy! Ar you all right?" And I helped him to his feet. He actually thanked me! ha ha ha. Smoothest takedown I ever did.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 2/04/2004 6:50am

Too echo a few in here:
IT DEPENDS ON WHO HAS IT ON YOU.
If the person KNOWS how to apply it, in its many variations, you are indeed fucked.
Like ANY hold, counter it BEFORE it is locked in.
If the guy is 6-4 and 260lbs AND knows how to wrestle, you do the math.
I have seen guys picked up and tossed around like a **** diblet by bouncers usinf a full nelson.

**kismasher** · Posted On: 2/04/2004 8:15am

Originally posted by hedgehogey
That always works. It worked for macias when he fought severn...Oh wait, nevermind.

yeah, it worked real good. lol haraarararhararjharhda'ljfal;jga;gj;ka

**Freddy** · Posted On: 2/04/2004 11:59am

Originally posted by shironinja
It's amusing how you mention a foot stomp and that you are "hopping" to hear other methods.

Sometimes from a full nelson you may be able to twist out of it or bring up your heel to nail them in the junk. Just go wild on them.

Shironinja My bad! I must have rocks for brains. I should learn how to spell. :D

**Freddy** · Posted On: 2/04/2004 12:08pm

Okay what would you do when someone has you in a "chicken wing" (I think thats what you call it?)
Your opponent is infront of you and your back is bent forward and he has both of your arms locked. [To try to illustrate my point better: The chicken wing move is usually done to those guys (who dont know how to do a front take down) and get caught in the process of attempting to take you down with a dive tackle technique like technique.]

**rainfall** · Posted On: 2/04/2004 12:14pm

Another counter (from standing):

twist your lower body at the hips, and swing one leg behind the attacker (so your hips face the attacker), push the same side arm to push against the neck/head, and throw over the hip. I don't know the Judo name for this throw, but it is very similar to Wu Style Taijiquan's "parting the horses mane" throw.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 2/04/2004 12:17pm

Try this:
Cry like a little girl and beg fo mercy ( this is know in Taiji as "little girl loses her doll"), then, as you "sense" the grip losening, grab the wrists and dive forward to touch the floor with your head, tossing the attacker ( in Taiji, this is called "worshiping the porcelain altar").