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  1. theotherserge is offline
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    Bas Rutten is not standing in the school giving corrections to people's form when his CD is rambling: "And a 3 and a 2, right straight left cross, sprawl, jab, livershot, double jab, 10 left hooks, and rest."

    Is this different?
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless View Post
    Ew, cardio kettle bell class taught by a skinny ****.
    They have that unfortunately.

    YouTube - KettleWorx KettleBell Workout & Fitness DVDs Part 2

    I like that they use really light kettlebells for everything. Sort of defeats the purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    Bas Rutten is not standing in the school giving corrections to people's form when his CD is rambling: "And a 3 and a 2, right straight left cross, sprawl, jab, livershot, double jab, 10 left hooks, and rest."

    Is this different?
    Stop proving my point.
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    Your'e just jealous. We do this kind of and they love it. The only difference is our instructors are boxers, kickboxers, MMA competitors, etc. We also have separate MMA classes. But to not offer something to those who just want to workout is to miss out, some people don't care about fighting but they have a lot of fun working out.

    http://www.mylitv.com/view_video.php...411c861cf78ef7
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    Quote Originally Posted by LI GUY 1 View Post
    Your'e just jealous. We do this kind of and they love it. The only difference is our instructors are boxers, kickboxers, MMA competitors, etc. We also have separate MMA classes. But to not offer something to those who just want to workout is to miss out, some people don't care about fighting but they have a lot of fun working out.

    http://www.mylitv.com/view_video.php...411c861cf78ef7
    No, that makes sense. Graden promotes the idea that anybody can teach it after a short course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless View Post
    No, that makes sense. Graden promotes the idea that anybody can teach it after a short course.
    Where? Mind you, this is the first time I've ever heard of Jim Graden.

    But I must say he has a point. I mean, there's nothing wrong in marketing the fitness part of training in MMA, as long as the fighting part of it doesn't get dropped. Alive sparring gives you a helluva workout, it can be marketed too, I guess...

    Besides, I don't know about that UBC thing, but I don't think you can take something as MMA and turn it into some Tae Bo-ish thing, that is, a different kind of aerobic class. Not if we're talking grappling too.
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    Posted On:
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    Omega: I can't seem to find the 'I think Bas Rutten should be (metaphorically) shot' thread you started a couple of years ago when his workout CDs and tapes came to market. Do you have the link handy?
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    I'm Dave the gay Kickboxer from Manchester and I have the hots for Tom Kagan
    TOM KAGAN, OPEN ME, THE MKT ARE COMING FOR YOU ! ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MEET ?
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    World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
    Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
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    Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.
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    Yes this problem comes up periodically. It does not make it any more palitable that MMA is experiencing it now. what it amounts to is selling out to give students what they want. Which it effect dilutes the art (white belts can teach this program yeehee!) and probably minimizes the fitness aspects as well.

    Perfect example: Kick boxing became so much more popular than karate because it was aerobic and could be done as combos and line drills en masse.... Eventually karate became kick boxing. Suddenly much as you see today, you saw guys doing karate bouncing up and down. Kick boxiing destroyed karate.. to this day very few people fight with karate. Mas Oyamas guys brought it back partially but you still see karate guys bouncing around like TKD fighters because kick boxing and kick boxing rules was what students wanted.

    You need fitness for MMA but MMA is not fitness. When your goal becomes to dilute the practice because people don't want the real deal you are fucking up the art. Its why a lot of arts suck now.

    I welcome anyone to use martial arts and Yoga as part of fitness. I used to do it as a trainer and it is great stuff... but when you start to reduce your art to fitness it is yet another variation of give the public what they think martial arts ought to be, not what it is because otherwise they will go to someone else.
    This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    Omega: I can't seem to find the 'I think Bas Rutten should be (metaphorically) shot' thread you started a couple of years ago when his workout CDs and tapes came to market. Do you have the link handy?
    See my above statement Thomas.
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