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  1. Omega Supreme is offline

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    Posted On:
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    I think that Jim Graden should be (metaphorically) shot:

    I just got this email. Seriously if this takes off I think I'm going to puke. This type of nonsense is makes mcdojo gyms believe they're legit.

    MMA and Martial Arts Fitness
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    By Jim Graden

    There’s no denying that Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) has exploded in
    popularity in this country. The question is, what effect is it having
    on the martial arts industry and your martial arts fitness program? I
    remember the effect the movie the “Karate Kid” had on the industry. The
    martial arts schools were flooded with parents trying to find a Mr.
    Miagi for their child. The “Karate Kid” was followed by the Ninja
    Turtles and then the Power Rangers. All of these examples of the
    martial arts featured in the mainstream media resulted in new students
    on the martial arts school owner’s deck.

    When Billy Blanks introduced Tae Bo, the martial art schools were
    flooded with people trying to get in shape. I should know since I was
    right in the middle of it with Cardio Karate. So why is it that we are
    currently experiencing the largest growth in martial arts sports
    history but the martial arts industry, as a whole, seems to be in a
    slump? Why hasn’t the martial arts industry seen the boom?

    I think it’s because mixed martial arts is looked at as a spectator
    sport, like boxing, not something the average person wants to do. How
    many successful instructional boxing centers are there, or have there
    ever been? The popularity of boxing didn’t result in the general
    population wanting
    to do it. I feel mixed martial arts is the same way.

    I’m sure there are exceptions to the rule with martial arts schools
    that cater to the niche market of 20 something males who want to learn
    MMA and even might want to fight. These gyms are run by mixed martial
    arts fighters and trainers who live the life of MMA. The average
    martial arts school MMA program has not, and probably will not,
    generate a large number of new students.

    I believe the only way to capitalize on the MMA is through your martial
    arts fitness program. If you watch the MMA TV shows, like the one on
    Spike TV, you’ll see more of the training than the actual fighting.
    This is unique to MMA. No other sport focuses on and shows so much of
    the athletes training like MMA does. Why? Because it’s what I’ve been
    saying all along. People love to watch and train like a fighter, they
    just don’t want to get hit.

    Watching a MMA fighter train is interesting. Seeing them punch and kick
    the mitts and heavy bag and do a little sparring is fun to watch. This
    jazzes the general public and I bet the average person thinks about
    getting involved in MMA while they are watching the training. As soon
    as the fight starts and someone is getting crushed, the average person
    enjoys the fight but thinks twice about getting involved. Nobody wants
    to be grounded and pounded.


    Something I learned a long time ago is that if you have a martial arts
    ad that has a photo of someone getting drilled with a sidekick, the
    average person doesn’t see himself or herself as the person throwing
    the kick. They see themselves as the guy on the end of the kick.

    This is why I think MMA is a great opportunity for martial arts fitness
    programs like the Ultimate Bodyshaping Course (UBC). The media is doing
    all of the work for us. Look at the shape the MMA fighters are in.
    They’re probably in the best shape of any athlete and they do it with
    martial arts fitness training. The point is, the MMA is currently
    featuring all the things we do to get someone in shape in our fitness
    programs. The media has made martial arts fitness training a very cool
    activity; an activity that the average person would love to do. The
    challenge is having a program that emphasizes the results of martial
    arts fitness training on the average person’s waist size, and not just
    on learning how to fight.

    Like I said before, there are many people who are going to have success
    with a MMA program because that is who they are. But, unless you want
    to climb into the ring and work on becoming a famous MMA fighter, you
    might want to look at the fitness aspect of the MMA as a way to
    capitalize on its explosive growth.


    Seminole, Florida’s Jim Graden
    is internationally recognized as a
    martial arts fitness pioneer. Jim developed Cardio K arate, the NAPMA
    Fitness Kickboxing Certification, the Ultimate Bodyshaping Course
    (UBC), and UBC for Kids. He can be reached at
    info@ultimatebodyshaping.com

    If you would like more information on the UBC and how you can become a
    licensed school for only $99, please call 1800-319-6134 or go to
    www.ultimatebodyshaping.com - Click on Own a UBC Center - Scroll down
    to Information Request Form.

    UBC OWNER TESTIMONIALS:

    "I love the UBC because it brings me adults. I went from having a
    student base of 220 kids and 30 adults to now having 220 adults and 126
    kids. This has allowed me to teach my children’s martial arts program
    the way I have always wanted because I am not dependent on only the kid
    market now. My initial investment in the UBC has paid for itself
    numerous times. Networking is very important to me and I love that I
    can pick up the phone and have my questions answered immediately or
    know that someone will call me back in a timely manner. I am now having
    great success with the UBC Elite program. I use this as an upsell
    program to my UBC graduates. They can be somewhat intimidated by Krav
    Maga alone but when I explain the Elite Fitness training in conjunction
    with my Krav Maga program I have been able to get about 33% of my
    students on a long term commitment'.20- Chris Ost, Stockton, CA (Running
    UBC for 6 years)

    "UBC is an easy20sell. People call wanting to sign up which helps keep
    the income steady. You get tons of promotional materials, the website
    is easy to access for me and my students, and consulting is ongoing and
    consistent. If you don’t know the answer, then someone is there to
    immediately help you. I generated 60K during my first year of business
    on the UBC alone!". - Chris Sutton, Clearwater, FL (Running UBC program
    for 7 years)

    "I was looking for a new program to add to my school that would take
    advantage of the 'off-hours' that we didn't have martial arts classes.
    Ideally, I wanted something that was easy to implement, profitable, not
    require a substantial investment in additional equipment, and most
    importantly, something that would be congruent with the goals of the
    school, which is, to help our students achieve more and be their best.
    The UBC is exactly what I was looking for! Not only did it meet the
    criteria it goes way beyond that. The satisfaction of seeing the
    results and powerful changes that program participants achieve is very
    rewarding as an instructor. I highly recommend the UBC as it is a
    spectacular program to bring into your facility". - Sandor Urban, Coral
    Gables, FL (Running the UBC for 3 years)
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    Posted On:
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    That is teeth-grindingly horrible. I don't even know where to start...

    He's not even subtle enough to pretend he's doing anything other than "taking advantage" of MMA and public interest around it. "The media is doing all of the work for us..." He sounds like a slimy politician.
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    Posted On:
    9/29/2009 10:47pm

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    Something I learned a long time ago is that if you have a martial arts
    ad that has a photo of someone getting drilled with a sidekick, the
    average person doesn’t see himself or herself as the person throwing
    the kick. They see themselves as the guy on the end of the kick.
    and well they should be.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless View Post
    This type of nonsense is makes mcdojo gyms believe they're legit.
    How would this become any different than Cardio kickbox, Tae Bo, Boxercise, or any of the other umpteen different aerobic workout themed crazes like Firefighter's or NYC Ballet?
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

    "Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken

    My Bullshido fan club threads:
    Tom Kagan's a big hairy...
    Tom Kagan can lick my BALLS
    Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
    Tom Kagan: Serious discussion here
    Lamokio asks the burning question is Tom Kagan a ***** or just cruising for some
    I'm Dave the gay Kickboxer from Manchester and I have the hots for Tom Kagan
    TOM KAGAN, OPEN ME, THE MKT ARE COMING FOR YOU ! ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MEET ?
    ATTN TOM KAGAN
    World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
    Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
    I am infatuated with Tom Kagan
    Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.
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    Posted On:
    9/29/2009 11:02pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    How would this become any different than Cardio kickbox, Tae Bo, Boxercise, or any of the other umpteen different aerobic workout themed crazes like Firefighter's or NYC Ballet?
    You just proved my point. :biblethum
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    Posted On:
    9/29/2009 11:05pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless View Post
    You just proved my point. :biblethum
    Gyms which offer these other programs don't generally think they are "legit" in the sense it'll produce fighters ... or ballet dancers, or firefighters. So, how does it prove the point?
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

    "Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken

    My Bullshido fan club threads:
    Tom Kagan's a big hairy...
    Tom Kagan can lick my BALLS
    Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
    Tom Kagan: Serious discussion here
    Lamokio asks the burning question is Tom Kagan a ***** or just cruising for some
    I'm Dave the gay Kickboxer from Manchester and I have the hots for Tom Kagan
    TOM KAGAN, OPEN ME, THE MKT ARE COMING FOR YOU ! ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MEET ?
    ATTN TOM KAGAN
    World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
    Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
    I am infatuated with Tom Kagan
    Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.
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    My ninjas, look on the bright side. This means more motherfuckers that can't fight, ie more motherfuckers that we can beat up.

    I don't mind at all. Truth is, most people don't want to take a motherfucking shot to the face and are afraid of fighting. But said motherfuckers want to feel like part of the action. I understand that it's some despicable ****, but still, you have to let motherfuckers enjoy that ****.

    For example, word got around that Q-dot was into some boxing and had a few ammy fights. Now, some BITCH ninja decided it would be cool to do some boxing. Why is he a bitch ninja? you may ask, I mean after all boxing is cool and everything. But this ninja only wanted the cardio aspect. He wanted to keep fit and whatnot, a worthy goal, true. But then had to go ahead and say **** like "I would spar and fight, but I can't be coming to work with my **** all busted up, nah mean".
    Of course, I replied with "************, you ever seen me running around with my face all fucked up like I headbutted a beehive or some ****? What the ****, my ninja".

    And to make things worse, a few days later I was up in the hospital for a little intestinal inflammation (still inactive because of that ****, unfortunately), and the aforementioned bitch ninja saw me hunched over in my chair clutching my **** and asked simply, "boxing?".

    "No, ************, no. This **** is unrelated. What the **** is wrong with you?"

    It goes to show, most guys out there are bitch ninjas who want no part of the fight, but want to feel somehow linked to that ****.

    So do you try to keep such motherfuckers out of it? No. Let bitch ninjas do what bitch ninjas do. If possible, take some money from bitch ninjas and let them MMAxercise. Just let them know their status as bitch ninjas. Remind them.

    Bitch ninjas can't hang with real ninjas.

    Only real ninjas ride with us.
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    C'mon Omega, tell the truth: You're really only mad because you didn't develop and market the program first.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

    "Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken

    My Bullshido fan club threads:
    Tom Kagan's a big hairy...
    Tom Kagan can lick my BALLS
    Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
    Tom Kagan: Serious discussion here
    Lamokio asks the burning question is Tom Kagan a ***** or just cruising for some
    I'm Dave the gay Kickboxer from Manchester and I have the hots for Tom Kagan
    TOM KAGAN, OPEN ME, THE MKT ARE COMING FOR YOU ! ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MEET ?
    ATTN TOM KAGAN
    World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
    Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
    I am infatuated with Tom Kagan
    Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Graden
    Look at the shape the MMA fighters are in.
    They’re probably in the best shape of any athlete and they do it with
    martial arts fitness training.








    Eh, this **** solves itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    C'mon Omega, tell the truth: You're really only mad because you didn't develop and market the program first.
    Actually I have had a mma workout class.
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