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  1. Hammer_Man is offline

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    What is the best martial art for bouncers?

    Must be wrestling am I right?
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    Other bouncers.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    Other bouncers.
    This is true, but what I mean is elbowing someone in the face muay thai style is propably less appropriate than some sort of hold right?
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     Style: Taai Si Ji Kung Fu

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    Have you ever been a bouncer or have been thrown out of a place by a bouncer?
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    have been thrown out of a place by a bouncer?
    About 5 times or so by the same angry racist guy and his back up. It started when he one day refused me at the door "You're the one who hangs with dem ******* right? You're not getting in ****** friend" he said (seriously) After trying to reason with the guy I lost my temper and gave him the finger I never tried to get into his place again, but when he sees me he ends up stalking me into the club I happen to go to and where they do let me in, but then he brings 2 other bouncers to muscle me out for no reason this happened about 5 times now and it's pretty creepy. Since I didn't try to fight them they didn't use martial arts just 3 man - shoving by lardasses
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    Posted On:
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    In that case, I recommend Road House style.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    In that case, I recommend Road House style.
    Should I bother watching that movie, everybody keeps making jokes about it and I'm not picking up on them
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    Posted On:
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    Don't you want to learn the best martial art for bouncers?
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    1. Watch Road House.
    2. Don't emulate Road House.
    3. Do Judo.
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    Posted On:
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    I know what you are getting at and I dont want to sidetrack your thread, but on bouncers....

    Im of the opinion that bouncing is an “at your own risk” activity in regards to criminal/civil liability. A bouncer has no more “right” to lay hands on someone than any other person. And unlike police officers, they have no “qualified immunity” regarding their actions while working.

    This guy has an interesting site regarding bouncers and their training.

    There’s a common misconception that bouncers have authority to pick someone up and physically remove him or her from the premises for violating a club rule. It is believed that bouncers can use pain compliance holds, full-nelsons, choke holds, wrist locks, and arm bars to manhandle their patrons. This is generally not true. Simply stated bouncers cannot legally use force against a patron being escorted out unless they are taking someone into custody for a crime or in self-defense. When force is used it must be reasonable depending on the circumstances. Ordinarily, that means no tackling, no punching, no kicking, no choking, no head butts, no piling on top, no hog-ties, and no pain compliance holds unless in self defense.

    The authority of a bouncer, in most cases, is the same as any ordinary citizen. Bouncers have no special authority to physically eject a customer who merely becomes intoxicated or verbally obnoxious. As an employee of the nightclub, bouncers can only demand that the undesirable customer leave. If the customer refuses to leave your only legal recourse is to call the police. Sometimes a warning that the police will be called has the same effect causing the customer to depart. The police can remove an unwanted patron and issue a formal trespass warning not to return. In a few states, bouncers may legally use minimal force to remove a trespasser after being duely warned. If the customer returns after receiving this formal warning they are subject to arrest.
    State by state mileage may vary, but unless you are defending yourself or effecting an arrest, you risk arrest using force on someone. Some states allow bouncers to enforce trespass charges within the bar/club, but that can be a fine line. If a person is being rowdy in a movie theater, the ushers dont rush in and beat the crap out of the guy and toss him to the curb.

    This being said, MOST of the bouncers I have dealt with (professionally), use common sense and typically just usher a loudmouth out w/o having to lay hands on him. If it looks like a fight they call us. If he starts a fight than they do what they have to do and then call us to have him arrested.

    IMO the best martial art is "common sense-do".
    Last edited by tgace; 9/29/2009 12:52pm at .
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